How do the colors, sounds, feels, etc come from the color-less, soundless, feel-less matter? — Marchesk
I already told you... — Enrique
an intrinsic aspect of quantum superposition in matter is the qualia constituents that contribute to colors, sounds and feels, conjoined in specific and relatively rare ways to generate qualitative experience in brains and elsewhere....(and so on) — Enrique
. I have yet to see a satisfying explanation for the conscious sensations of color, sound, etc. — Marchesk
What do you think the assumptions are that lead to the hard problem? — Janus
Is not the primary idea that experience could not emerge from "brute matter"? — Janus
Why would that be any more of a problem than the idea that self-organizing life could not emerge from brute matter? — Janus
Perhaps it is our conceptions of what experience, life and brute matter are that is the problem. The fact that we cannot exhaustively explain how it happens should not be surprising; we cannot really exhaustively explain much of anything. — Janus
And don't come along claiming that I disavow qualia and then use them; my beef with qualia is no more than that they are not needed, and that using them leads the discussion astray — Banno
304. “But you will surely admit that there is a difference between pain behaviour with pain and pain-behaviour without pain.” — Admit it? What greater difference could there be? — “And yet you again and again reach the conclusion that the sensation itself is a Nothing.” — Not at all. It’s not a Something, but not a Nothing either! The conclusion was only that a Nothing would render the same service as a Something about which nothing could be said." — Wittgenstein
Because the pain is the qualia; — Luke
This seems to me to be in keeping with the Wittgenstein quote.My objection to qualia is that in so far as they are subject to discussion they are just what we see, taste and feel; and so far as they are of philosophical interest, they are not available for discussion. A close approximation would be someone deciding to call their beetle in a box "Fred". The beetle still drops out of the conversation. — Banno
307. “Aren’t you nevertheless a behaviourist in disguise? Aren’t you nevertheless basically saying that everything except human behaviour is a fiction?” — If I speak of a fiction, then it is of a grammatical fiction. — Wittgenstein
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