transvaluation of values — Coryanthe
pretentious adolescent males — Banno
Jim Morrison — Jack Cummins
going by the name the person who wrote the thread is female. — Jack Cummins
Yes, I am a woman. I didn't know that Nietzsche is a philosopher that mostly teenage males read ... but that doesn't surprise me! — Coryanthe
But getting back to Nietzsche I do wonder if another possible way his ideas could be translated into practice would be as anarchism, but this is yet another complex area. — Jack Cummins
That's true. In terms of ethics, Heidegger, when talking about the authenticity of dasein, does seem to be talking in almost ethical terms. — Count Timothy von Icarus
But truly, I am looking more specifically for philosophers who have surpassed him in terms of his ethic and his transvaluation of values. — Coryanthe
Are there any philosophers who tried to go beyond Nietzsche's philosophy, especially about his transvaluation of values? is it passable? — Coryanthe
One of the main things that Nietzsche talks about, and that he's in agreement with many Christians about, is that when you remove the God element out of theology - whether it be Christianity, Judaism, etc. - is that the whole system collapses. — BitconnectCarlos
I am very curious to know how the Christians manage to maintain their belief, while having read Nietzsche seriously. — Coryanthe
Spinoza, first and foremost ...Are there any philosophers who tried to go beyond Nietzsche's philosophy, especially about his transvaluation of values? — Coryanthe
According to Nietzsche, like Spinoza, there is no "beyond" ... only after.We can contradict Nietzsche [ ... ] but can we start from his philosophy to go beyond?
G.K. Chesterton's essay collection Heretics comes to mind. Also, more philosophical than apologetic or polemical, the phenomenological works of Jean-Luc Marion, which I'm mostly acquainted with through essays and secondary literature, implicitly seems to undermine the 'literalistic' basis of Nietzsche's "death of god" from a somewhat 'christian mystical' perspective. I suppose Emmanuel Levinas does so as well, but from within philosophical Judaism (see also Buber & Heschel).Is there a Christianity which clashed with Nietzsche and tried to overtake him?
Spinozism has tempted so many wanderers, like a forbidden tree heavy with generations of low hanging fruit ... but it's still the original bite that's sweetest:Are there other metaphysics and other moralities that have also attempted this going beyond?
~Friedrich Nietzsche, from a postcard to Franz Overbeck in Sils-Maria dated July 30, 1881I am utterly amazed, utterly enchanted! I have a precursor, and what a precursor! I hardly knew Spinoza: that I should have turned to him just now, was inspired by “instinct.” Not only is his overtendency like mine—namely to make all knowledge the most powerful affect—but in five main points of his doctrine I recognize myself; this most unusual and loneliest thinker is closest to me precisely in these matters: he denies (1) the freedom of the will, (2) teleology, (3) the moral world-order, (4) the unegoistic, and (5) evil. Even though the divergencies are admittedly tremendous, they are due more to the difference in time, culture, and science. In summa: my lonesomeness, which, as on very high mountains, often made it hard for me to breathe and make my blood rush out, is now at least a twosomeness. Strange! [ ... ] — With affectionate love, Your friend
I mention a few thinkers above and these:What reading advice could you give me on this subject? — Coryanthe
Something like this is, I think, the main error underlying pretty much all philosophical error: that the only alternatives are either abject nihilism or religious faith. Cynical relativism or dogmatic transcendentalism, pick your poison... or so they'd have you think. — Pfhorrest
Personally I think the question of finding meaning or value in the universe is largely a personal/emotional one. — BitconnectCarlos
I actually think that those possible types of answers to questions about reality and morality stem from applications of the analogous answers to the personal emotional question: — Pfhorrest
You have encountered a challenge. Maybe things are not going to work out as you expected. What do you do?
- Give up?
- Indulge in a happy fantasy about how it must definitely all be okay?
- Acknowledge the difficulty and keep trying anyway?
When the challenge is in figuring out what is real or moral, the last option is exactly the kind of criticism universalism that I advocate on those topics. — Pfhorrest
In those cases, it might honestly be better to either approach the problem from a different angle or reframe it in some way... or just honestly try to think about something else. We all have limited mental energy and numerous problems that we would like to address so often sacrifices have to be made. Nothing wrong with jsut kicking back and wanting some time off from your problems either. — BitconnectCarlos
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