So, perfection? — Metaphysician Undercover
Maybe it's one of those things, like learning a language, easy when you're a child, but difficult when you're older. — Metaphysician Undercover
Hopefully completing stage one. Have started to try and produce a (piano) g4 image in the midst of other music. — bongo fury
but what method would you use to distinguish one pitch from another, within the image? — Metaphysician Undercover
Once you can produce a specific note on demand, the rest is a matter of learning the intervals, musical training. — Metaphysician Undercover
But this would be like ungrounded logic, you could have a complete scale in your mind, with nothing to connect it to reality. — Metaphysician Undercover
The actual "pocket compass" I'm using is youtube on my phone, specifically G4 as announced in the first chord here: https://youtu.be/PuFwt66Vr6U. — bongo fury
You get that the grounding is through feedback against a target specimen? — bongo fury
But the goal is to produce the pitch without the specimen or feedback. Do you have a strategy toward this end? — Metaphysician Undercover
A new study concludes that young musicians who speak Mandarin Chinese can learn to identify isolated musical notes much better than English speakers can. Fewer than one American in 10,000 has absolute pitch, which means they can identify or produce a note without reference to any other note. Also called perfect pitch, this skill requires distinguishing sounds that differ by just 6 percent in frequency.
Five years ago researchers led by Diana Deutsch of the University of California at San Diego found that native speakers of Mandarin Chinese and Vietnamese frequently match this level of precision during ordinary speech. In these so-called tonal languages, changing pitch can completely alter the meaning of words. For example, the Mandarin word "ma" means "mother" when the vowel is a constant high pitch, but means "hemp" when pronounced with a rising pitch. Until now, it was not known whether this precision in linguistic pitch transferred to musical tones. — Don Monroe
He said the piano with its tempered tuning irritates him. — Daemon
means "mother" when the vowel is a constant high pitch, but means "hemp" when pronounced with a rising pitch. — Don Monroe
it's the use of pitch per se — Daemon
I think I'm gradually developing absolute pitch, only because when I think of a recording and then listen to it I often get the key right. — Daemon
Absolute pitch is no use to me anyway. Being able to identify and immediately play intervals is what I need. — Daemon
I knew a musician with perfect pitch who said it is a bit of a curse, a lot of music sounds out of tune. He said the piano with its tempered tuning irritates him. — Daemon
I think if I did want to improve my absolute pitch, I would use recordings of tunes or songs. — Daemon
a whole new can of worms. — Metaphysician Undercover
It seems like you've been trying to locate your image by relating it to other tones. But this would be like ungrounded logic, you could have a complete scale in your mind, with nothing to connect it to reality. perhaps you could relate it to an image from another sense, like a visual image for example, so that when you produce the designated visual image it would automatically recall the correct pitch through association. You might even cheat, and use a real sensible object to create the association. A hit of smelling salts, quickly followed by g4 on the piano, for instance. Repeat a few hundred or thousand times, and according to Pavlov, a hit of smelling salts, followed by g4 in the mind without the need for the piano. — Metaphysician Undercover
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