Supernatural’ is a boo word. You really ought to look at the Nagel essay I linked to, it’s in no way religious apologetics. — Wayfarer
Of course it’s a boo word, so what? — Olivier5
the Greek term 'metaphysical' is an exact translation of the Latin 'supernatural'. — Wayfarer
Nagel's essay — Wayfarer
My understanding of the prefix "meta" is that it simply means "about", often in some reflexive way (metadata = data about the data, metacognition = cognition about cognition). Metaphysics is a discourse about physics, itself understood as a discourse about nature. — Olivier5
While "super" in supernatural means today something very different: "at odds with nature". — Olivier5
facile deus ex machina cop-outs. — Olivier5
It has been defined in such a way as to mean almost exactly that. So ideas associated with 'religion' are placed on one side, and those with 'science' on the other. Often this demarcation is assumed or tacit. — Wayfarer
facile deus ex machina cop-outs.
— Olivier5
Care to mention an example? I didn't see anything of that kind in it, myself. — Wayfarer
Social bonding clearly is not innate,
— creativesoul
Nonsense, bonding is found in all sorts of animal species. From parents to mates to social groups — Marchesk
What would a perfect model of the cosmos look like compared to imperfect models? It seems to me that it is the nature of models to leave things out - things that are not useful to what your goal is in modeling some aspect of the cosmos. Why do we model?It's just possible that we didn't evolve the capabilities to perfectly model the cosmos. Or that our modeling leaves something out since it's abstracting the patterns from empirical experience. — Marchesk
Anyway, either way, no Cartesian issues there! — Andrew M
Physical means mind independent stuff...
— Marchesk
Hmmm... and if the mind is in part, physical? — creativesoul
Checkmate, Qualiasts? — Marchesk
Hmmm... and if the mind is in part, physical? — creativesoul
Abstract objects... — frank
Are linguistic constructs based upon subject/object ontology. That ontology, that dichotomy, that linguistic framework is garbage. — creativesoul
Hmmm... and if the mind is in part, physical?
— creativesoul
Some of your mind is in your cell phone. — frank
A set isn't a linguistic object. A set is an abstract object: neither mental not physical. — frank
he says nothing precise — Olivier5
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