- ok, but that wouldn't be out of the triangle. I am not necessarily interested in persons but in how the system manages the resources, the laws, the freedoms, etc.. I see nothing fundamentally different just by replacing humans with machines.where there isn't actually any person in power anymore — Echarmion
all political systems are either a republic or they aren't. — Echarmion
It terms of different views, one might note that for most of human history, people had no concept of "the economy" as a separate entity. — Echarmion
You could have a lottery — Outlander
If something about human nature changed, about what is core to humanity, then something different could develop in terms of forms of the existence or governance. IT could contribute to this, or even ideas on gender, age and perceptions of rights and ideologies, or the growing reality of tribalism. — Brett
will the biological and technological evolution bring you to something totally new in terms of coexistence? — Eugen
Today we are the economy, except that it also operates as a separate entity in the sense that we have very little control over it, we virtually serve it. — Brett
As a result of biological evolution, it would seem doubtful. We'd still be human. — Outlander
It could go either way I imagine. — Outlander
or apartments that miniaturize you upon entry allowing 100,000 people to each live, sleep, and wake up in their own private dream mansion that altogether takes up no more space than your favorite corner store. — Outlander
I am not necessarily interested in persons but in how the system manages the resources, the laws, the freedoms, etc.. I see nothing fundamentally different just by replacing humans with machines. — Eugen
how the system manages the resources, the laws, the freedoms, etc.. — Eugen
Today we are the economy, except that it also operates as a separate entity in the sense that we have very little control over it, we virtually serve it.
— Brett — Outlander
That's like saying just because your body is different from your mind it's a burden and you're enslaved to it because you have to use it to make yourself/it breakfast every morning. — Outlander
It terms of different views, one might note that for most of human history, people had no concept of "the economy" as a separate entity.
— Echarmion — Brett
despite being human we’re still a lot different from serfs living in sod huts. — Brett
That doesn’t seem to relate to systems of coexistence. All it does is play with imaginary possibilities. — Brett
outside of Eugen’s triangle — Brett
What I meant is that once the economy served the people: it’s existence created jobs, taxes, development, etc. — Brett
the economy is beginning to look more important than lives. — Brett
The economy is wealth which is basically resources. — Outlander
Do you not have a job or know someone who does? Do you not have any public parks, sidewalks, roads, emergency services, etc. funded by taxpayer dollars? You don't live in a house? You don't have any new buildings being constructed nearby? You don't have a military that prevents I dunno whatever foreign boogeyman you're been instructed to fear from walking through your streets and calling it their own? It's all there man. — Outlander
Are we really though? — Outlander
Our perspective on life and morals can change, which in turn affects what we believe to be necessary and how we coexist. — Brett
Eager to hear any alternate forms of political systems (aside from anarchy, already included) that are outside of this triangle. — Outlander
What you stated are the theoretical extremes, which basically cannot happen.My question is: does the triangle I mentioned cover 100% of the possibilities or will the biological and technological evolution bring you to something totally new in terms of coexistence? If we could observe a civilization 1 million years more advanced, could we find striking resemblances to what we have had so far in history? — Eugen
By the title of the post we're speaking in the context of 'political systems', which to my understanding means, governance and diplomacy. Correct me if I'm wrong. If no one is governing or engaging in diplomacy, we have anarchy- as included in the triangle. So, something outside of this triangle.. is something/someone governing. As AI was already dismissed that would seem to leave only humans. So, between a single individual governing everyone (monarchy) and all individuals governing each other (democracy) it would seem, at least in my mind, we've painted ourselves into a corner. Eager to hear any alternate forms of political systems (aside from anarchy, already included) that are outside of this triangle. — Outlander
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