A proposition is a state of affairs. — frank
Propositions, we shall say, are the sharable objects of the attitudes and the primary bearers of truth and falsity. This stipulation rules out certain candidates for propositions, including thought- and utterance-tokens, which presumably are not sharable, and concrete events or facts, which presumably cannot be false. These consequences fit well with contemporary usage. — SEP
It may be that language and our ability to think abstractly go hand in hand? — frank
There's evidence that crows can count. So for example, if two hunters are behind a blind, and one leaves, the crows are aware that one is still back there. They also apparently can keep track of individual humans and how they've behaved — Marchesk
Don't you think "beliefs only apply to statements" goes against my belief that snow is white? Which is an attitude I have towards snow. Not just towards the statement. — fdrake
Yeah but the problem is you cannot tell me about the phenomenal character of sonar, even if you go to great lengths researching the science on it. You cannot even tell me if there is any, although it seems reasonable to suspect animals have phenomenal experiences. — Marchesk
Fdrake believes that "snow is white" is true.
"snow is white" is true IFF snow is white.
Hence,
Fdrake believes that snow is white.
It amounts to the same thing. — Banno
Sure, substitution salva veritate. Fdrke might not believe "Schnee ist weiß" despite believing "snow is white". Nevertheless, Fdrake's belief is a propositional attitude: Fdrake believes that snow is white. — Banno
Thus it would be a logical contradiction to believe that "snow is white" is true while believing that snow is not white, or not believing that snow is white. — Janus
What I find interesting in this view — which must have many precedents — is that the Platonic world of ideas is not ‘out there’ and objective; rather it is grounded in human subjectivity, and built by our intersubjective dialogue and intellectual efforts generation after generation. — Olivier5
I can believe that snow appears white, but not that it is actually white. — Marchesk
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