First of all that sentence says that subjectivity is a flaw, not that it itself is flawed — Isaac
secondly it is attributing such a view to a rhetorical opposition, not claiming it as my own — Isaac
if you believe snow is white, is your belief directed towards snow or the statement "snow is white"? — fdrake
A proposition is proposed, it seems. As a result, it requires a creature capable of proposing something; language use. — creativesoul
Sure. All sorts of definitions for "proposition". I do not know, nor understand them all. Banno's use was the one under consideration, as it pertains to belief and statements thereof. — creativesoul
The left hand side is about words, the right hand side is about the world, and truth is what brings them together. The stuff on the right hand side is in unmediated contact with the world; that is, it just says how things are. And it does this simply because that is what words do."Snow is white" is true if and only if snow is white
It's not an account of what a belief is! Linking them to perceptual expectations would be. — fdrake
He believed the ball would hit him in the face if he did not duck. — Banno
Do you really want to do that, fdrake? — Banno
What does a belief consist in? It consists in treating some statement as true. — Banno
Provide an argument for this claim. Why can beliefs only apply to statements? I agree with you that beliefs can apply to statements, I also think that they can apply to concrete events. — fdrake
...and concrete events can be stated; therefore any belief that ranges over a concrete event also ranges over a statement. — Banno
part of what a belief consists in — Marchesk
..never are for other animals — Marchesk
No idea what that means. — Banno
We're heading towards anomalous monism. — Banno
Wait, what? Why does perception need to be part of belief? I believe life exists somewhere outside Earth, but I can't perceive it. I have all sorts of beliefs like that which are not directly tied to any perception on my part, and not always tied to perception on anyone's part, such as life beyond Earth. — Marchesk
...and concrete events can be stated; therefore any belief that ranges over a concrete event also ranges over a statement. — Banno
but we will never be able to reduce psychological explanations to physical explanations - — Banno
With that attitude. — bongo fury
Some things are practically intractable. — Marchesk
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