Isn't that the reason for long term studies? I mean, isn't it the case that the reason we'll probably never know(this time around) is because we've neglected public safety protocols that have been in place for decades because we already know that such measures are necessary to insure we're doing everything we can to provide the safest possible treatment(s)? — creativesoul
This is a highly technical subject, seriously, if you can't even be bothered to provide citations there's not much point in commenting. — Isaac
The Finnish government firmly believes in the EU, and thus is waiting patiently for the EU to decide, or more specifically the European Medicines Agency EMA to decide which vaccines are accepted for distribution. No hurry, I guess.That surprises me. How are Finns thinking about the vaccine? — frank
Definitely not covid statistics...its complete bullshit — Merkwurdichliebe
Edited for content and accuracyDefinitely not covid statistics...I am complete bullshit — Merkwurdichliebe
I just presumed that you'd have no reason to disbelieve me. I can cite a dozen trial results, but if you've already decided that I'm making stuff up I'm sure you'd just sweep them away somehow too. There's little point in continuing along those lines. — Isaac
Absolute nonsense. Pharmaceutical trials are not public relations exercises. — Isaac
How does it being complex prevent it from being triggered by some molecule. And if not triggered by some molecule, then what is it triggered by? Something from another realm? — Isaac
Effectiveness is established in the labs in thousands of test tubes by mass laboratory techniques. Before they ever take a vaccine outside the lab effectiveness is already solidly established.
Biological testing with live animals and humans is different. This is where side effects, persistence, and other unknowns are expected to show up before a vaccine goes for approval. — magritte
Citations can always be cherry picked from diverse sources to support just about anything — magritte
How about the stats that there is a shortage of ICU beds in states like California? — ssu
Or the stats that funeral homes and morgues are full thanks to Covid-19?
Those also bullshit stats / fake news, Merky? — ssu
(Acela Truck Co. has already sold hundreds of pull-behind refrigerated morgues created in response to the Covid-19 pandemic. Yet is that for a need or just a consequence of the covid-scare?) — ssu
Millions of doses were purchased by the federal government prior to the FDA approval. Should this be concerning? — creativesoul
'm quite confident that if the cause of any particular autoimmune disease was the presence of one type of molecule, that cause would have been found by now. — Metaphysician Undercover
It is obvious to me now, sir, judging by the crassness and vulgarity of your response to my last post, that you are not only far from being a philosopher or a gentleman, you are not even a decent human being. — Todd Martin
Funeral home in my small town has over two dozen bodies waiting to be buried; funerals must be placed on a waiting list. — Todd Martin
I want an explanation of how it does happen. — Metaphysician Undercover
What the fuck is that about? It's about inflating numbers to support the pandemic narrative. Using dead people to spread propaganda, that is some crooked, disrespectful shit. — Merkwurdichliebe
That's better. I wondered what had happened to the old MU with all this "I'm sure the experts know best" malarkey. — Isaac
This is much more like it - startlingly egotistical pronouncements of certainty on topics you clearly have absolutely no training or understanding of...the world's back to normal again. — Isaac
Bold request since no one really understands auto immune diseases. — Book273
We theorize that auto-immune diseases are triggered by an event.. — Book273
Little known detail outside of the healthcare world: most of our hospitals run at 95-115% capacity as an operating normal. — Book273
I thought the prevailing intelligence was that they are most likely genetic. — Metaphysician Undercover
Do you wonder? Or do you just believe what you're told? — Merkwurdichliebe
From mid-February through May 2020, 206,000 (95% credible interval, 178,100–231,000) more people died in these countries than would have had the pandemic not occurred. The number of excess deaths, excess deaths per 100,000 people and relative increase in deaths were similar between men and women in most countries. England and Wales and Spain experienced the largest effect: ~100 excess deaths per 100,000 people, equivalent to a 37% (30–44%) relative increase in England and Wales and 38% (31–45%) in Spain. Bulgaria, New Zealand, Slovakia, Australia, Czechia, Hungary, Poland, Norway, Denmark and Finland experienced mortality changes that ranged from possible small declines to increases of 5% or less in either sex. The heterogeneous mortality effects of the COVID-19 pandemic reflect differences in how well countries have managed the pandemic and the resilience and preparedness of the health and social care system.
Most of the histories that I have taken have the patient claiming that the symptoms were first noticed after some sort of event. — Book273
Let's start with the fact that we agree on that an 8% increase is substantial.Now It is starting to ramp up, but an increase of 8%, while substantial, does not support the damage that the social and economic lockdown is doing. — Book273
Coronavirus disease: unfortunate, but mostly manageable.
Response to Covid: Much worse than the disease, last longer than the disease, affects more than the disease. Generally a terrible idea based on fear rather than logic or science. — Book273
Yep. Pretty spot on there eh. If I want to push the evil of smoking I make sure I attribute any lung cancer, heart attack, or stroke deaths as having smoking as a contributing factor. I exclude other factors like genetics and activity levels, unless I can spin them to support my cause. Currently Covid is the push. If you have any underlying condition that is even slightly impacted by Covid, which, if you are positive for Covid, we say will impact your conditions, then if/when you die from one of your conditions, Covid clearly contributed to your death, since your were not dead before you caught Covid, so it's a "Covid related Death". If you crash your car while infected I could probably spin that as "Covid related" because maybe your vision was blurry from covid, or you sneezed and lost control, or your were extra drowsy (Covid induced fatigue). It's that easy. Reassurring eh. — Book273
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