Indeed, neither lecturing nor homework are beneficial. — Banno
Speaking of you United States, I don't think you realize the degree to which the state has its hands in teacher performance and how they have to teach. — Heister Eggcart
owever, lecturing and assigning homework is rarely bad teaching. — Heister Eggcart
At the high school level, at least, requiring most topics isn't bad, otherwise most students would not take anything. — Heister Eggcart
This is why I mentioned that schools are increasingly forced into being a parental apparatus because modern children are little shits, by and large. — Heister Eggcart
Why do you need to pass tests and get grades? — Marchesk
Even if the schools are substitutes for absent parenting, it won't help. Some children's parents are sufficiently incompetent at parenting that their children arrive at school with significant language deficits that are already difficult to overcome. By 3rd grade (8 years of age) some of the unremediated deficiencies will be permanent, and will be passed on (in vivo, not genetically) to the next generation. — Bitter Crank
We live in a crazy society, so many people (among the successful as well as the failures) are going to be at least somewhat crazy. It's a given. Craziness is a bigger problem for the poor than it is for the well-off. The well off get help. The poor get nothing - or maybe a zombie drug to keep them quiet. — Bitter Crank
In high school, the class that garnered the most enthusiasm was driver's education. That one had obvious real life benefit. I can't tell you how many times someone has asked what benefit geometry or algebra was. It's interesting that the answer given is that it teaches you to think, yet there was no critical think or statistics class, not at my high school. A stats class seems to have a lot more obvious real world benefits that could be explained to students. — Marchesk
n no case do testing or grades prove very much. Except that high test scores and good grades give you the pass codes that allow you to advance ahead several steps. — Bitter Crank
Ponderous number crunching that says not a thing. — Heister Eggcart
It isn't always the teachers' faults, though. Lots of factors go into why most kids arrive at the high school level dumb as rocks. — Heister Eggcart
So present evidence to the contrary. — Banno
I'm not blaming the teachers, I'm questioning whether the way the system is setup makes sense, if the goal really is education. — Marchesk
It's just a poorly constructed capitalist assembly line of bad to mediocre to good resume competitions between people that usually don't even know what they want to do in life. — Heister Eggcart
Google is your friend, friend — Heister Eggcart
Well, I want to discuss. I want folks to acknowledge that teaching and learning is more than can be specified by a curriculum and measured by test scores, and then I want space, time and freedom to be left for it to happen. It's a rather unfair question really to ask me to specify a method for achieving something that I have just characterised as impossible to specify, and set goals for.
And if it's unfair to ask you to offer some way of changing things, then it's equally unfair (or meaningless) to complain about our school systems going about things the wrong way. You want it changed, but you don't want to be bothered about how to change it. So what do you want? To be recognized as dissatisfied? As valuing the right things in a world that doesn't? — csalisbury
What grates is the proclivity of those outside education to set themselves up as arbiters. No other profession has so much external interference. — Banno
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