How is a god who is bound by laws more powerful than one who is not? — Bartricks
Can we both agree that by "the chain" we mean nothing but the total collection of contingent things? — BARAA
This appears to conflate objects and events. 'cause' is used synonymously with 'thing', but the cause of a thing isn't another thing: it is an event. — Kenosha Kid
we'll have an infinite regress which is impossible or there will be a first event — BARAA
therefore its cause is a thing not an event — BARAA
Infinite regress isn't obviously any more counterintuitive than an uncaused thing. — Kenosha Kid
My point was that how you originally arrived at this is logically invalid. Any given thing may be caused by any number of things, each of which may be the partial cause of any number of other things. There's no path from this to a single initial thing that causes everything else. — Kenosha Kid
Exactly, a set of rules for a game. The whole point about any idea of God is that he cannot be reduced to any game, therefore, not what he can or cannot do because that is part of the game, but rather that he's outside any game, however conceived. An indirect proof: If you know God, then he's not God: therefore God is unknowable in a very strong sense. Being unknowable, no set of rules applies. .Logic is the mirror of absolute certainty that can be used to show weather a statement is true,false or just possible. — BARAA
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