the philosophical point of this discussion: it is unreasonable to posit a single viable response to a complex issue. The rational response is to try multiple solutions.
You don’t seem to agree. — Banno
East Anglia ONE - UK offshore wind array, 102 turbines, 7 MW each, producing 714 MW - enough for 600,000 homes. It took 10 years to build, and cost £2.5bn.
The UK has 30 million homes. So roughly, that would require 6000 windmills, costing £1500bn - ish. Only from 2030 - UK government intend phasing out petrol cars, adding the transport energy demand of 30 million cars to the national grid. So 10,000 windmills costing £2500bn. Plus storage facilities - because wind is intermittent. Wind turbines have a working life of around 25 years, and then need replacing. — counterpunch
What are the environmental consequences of doing so? — creativesoul
I don't see any costs in there, nor risk assessments. — Isaac
Oh, and the other thing that would be interesting to hear is why, if it's cheaper, lower risk and lower environmental consequence, yet produces free energy - why is no-one doing it already? Why are firms investing in low return industries when they could be selling electricity at half the price of their competitors and still making a huge profit? — Isaac
I don't see any costs in there, nor risk assessments. — Isaac
Me either. It's almost as if that's not possible at this stage. — counterpunch
Why, at one time - did people carve glaciers into chunks and transport the ice thousands of miles, when they could just have invented the refrigerator? — counterpunch
I'm wondering about heat transference. what is the medium between the hot magma and the pipes in the chamber containing the water that is to be turned into steam? — Bitter Crank
How big a bore hole are we talking about? — Bitter Crank
How much heat transfer surface will be needed to absorb the heat necessary to superheat the water in the pipes? — Bitter Crank
How much heat will be lost from the steam between the bottom of the well and the turbine? Is the amount of heat loss significant? — Bitter Crank
I wish I could answer more precisely, but it's all still very preliminary. — counterpunch
So, many small bore holes rather than a few big ones. — Bitter Crank
I empathize with your suggestion, but I think it's the wrong area to try and force progress.
The dissolution of truth is a natural consequence of a struggling society and of an "empire" at risk of collapse. In the contemporary US, this presents itself as an unprecedented denial of objectivity-- mostly on the Christian right, in my opinion, but in certain sectors of the left too. We need to address the underlying issues that cause this dissolution of truth as opposed to delineating a Science Party.
While I think that the lost art objectivity is generally better-preserved on the left than on the right, I could not name a certain "chunk" of the political spectrum that I think would undeniably fit the Science Party. — Rosie
the existence of a body is not equivalent to the categorisations of either sex or gender we give might give to them. — TheWillowOfDarkness
The difference is that right wing incoherence is actually based in the ignorance of historical belief, and is a compromise to accommodate that - in the context of freedom of speech and opinion. — counterpunch
The left's incoherence is both deliberate and dictatorial - like for example, how facts matter when talking about climate change, but don't matter when talking about gender — counterpunch
Well, yes and no. At the very least I think it's unfair to claim that facts just "don't matter" re: the left's views on gender, as TheWillowOfDarkness brings up. Plenty of leftists acknowledge the relationship between sex and gender, the influence of sex hormones on development, etc. A person born male is probably going to feel like, and present as, a man. The question is how we address those for whom sex and gender feel mismatched. — Rosie
So, in relation to this philosophical background, political correctness seeks to deny, and/or undermine that binary opposition - and so denies, or disregards the biological fact. — counterpunch
I had a feeling this is where your bullshit about truth in science was headed. — frank
People are free to change gender. — frank
You're free to whine about it. — frank
End of story. — frank
No. It's not the end of the story. The NHS is going to get sued big time. A test case has already gone through the courts. Expect a class action suit in the near future - and billions in taxpayers money paid out to people damaged by politically correct, medically unsound practice. — counterpunch
I disagree, and so does the science. Developmental psychologists like Piaget - note distinct differences in play patters and behaviours between boys and girls that cannot be attributed solely to socialisation — counterpunch
Your claim suggests an empirical falsehood: that a certains behaviours are exclusive performed by girls or boys, as some are done more often by one group or another. — TheWillowOfDarkness
The nature vs nurture opposition is not scientific: it ignores how both biology and an environment go into producing something we do. — TheWillowOfDarkness
The thing about biological states is well, they are biological states, regardless of how we categorise them under sex, gender or any other identity categories we might have. If we have someone who is classified as a woman, but has a penis, she still has a penis. The biological fact of her penis isn't dependent on being categorised as a man. — TheWillowOfDarkness
That is quite possibly the maddest paragraph ever written in the English language. Barring incredibly rare genetic abnormalities, a human being with a penis is a man. Not "categorized as a man." But as a matter of biological fact, the penis owner IS a man. Incredibly rare exceptions - such as hermaphrodites, do not invalidate the fact a human with a penis IS a man. That way madness lies - and that's precisely the intent of left wing, post modernist, neo marxist, political correctness bigots and bullies, regardless of the harm their crazy making causes. — counterpunch
You simply don't realize how dependent your concept of gender is culture, and that gender may be much more fluid than you realize. — praxis
You simply don't realize how dependent your concept of gender is on culture, and that gender may be much more fluid than you realize.
— praxis
If you assert that gender is culture dependent - how do you know? It's not enough to assert my ignorance - you need to demonstrate it by proving that what you say is true. The evidence for my position, that gender is a biological fact - and that gender dysphoria is a mental disorder is overwhelming. — counterpunch
The term 'gender dysphoria' focuses on one's discomfort as the problem, not identity. The concepts of masculine and feminine, as well as our attitudes about transgenderism and homosexuality, are largely shaped by our culture. I'm not sure if I need to argue the point. Do I, or can you accept this? — praxis
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