instituting discriminatory racial policies that target people based on the color of their skin — NOS4A2
Clearly I was talking about race and race-based policy and medicine. I mistakenly thought you were as well, but I guess your entire argument was a red herring. — NOS4A2
↪Olivier5, I can heartily recommend the Bernie meme inauguration threads out there for a good laugh. — jorndoe
Am I the only one a alarmed by the many socially correct rather than competence and accomplishment based appointments of the new administration? Ideology and loyalty seems to take precedence over competence, accomplishment, and character once again, reminiscent of the former evil administration, only in the opposite direction. If quick fixes to huge problems don't come in the first 100 days then will disappointment and apathy follow? — magritte
sold out in less than 30 minutes — Olivier5
To be fair to me, why would I think that Trump's initial appointees were political choices rather than based on competence? What norms should I use? — magritte
If I were Biden, I would want to make an impact urgently in the first 100 days. To do that, leaders of proven competence and accomplishment are needed now, regardless of affiliation. — magritte
It's your claim. It's not on others to explain it to you. — Kenosha Kid
Not all claims require proof by the claimant. — magritte
Or perhaps I need only appeal to explicit idealistic motivations from the inaugural address as proof for misplaced intentions in naming people to key administration posts? — magritte
A neutral surveys of the breakdown of Biden's appointments might be helpful.Anyway, proof not required here, just any indication that what you're saying is remotely true. — Kenosha Kid
No, you don't get it. You are taking a neutral questioning remark to be racist. Perhaps I am operating in one of your blind spots?Oh, I get it. Him saying that racism is bad suggests that black people aren't qualified to do their jobs kind of thing. — Kenosha Kid
I take it that you actually believe this statement of Biden's and that now Biden intends for 'equality' to become not just an American ideal but an American fact.Our history has been a constant struggle between the American ideal, that we are all created equal, and the harsh, ugly reality that racism, nativism, and fear — Biden's Inauguration speech
A neutral surveys of the breakdown of Biden's appointments might be helpful.
CNN
PPS
Brookings — magritte
No, you don't get it. You are taking a neutral questioning remark to be racist. — magritte
I take it that you actually believe this statement of Biden's and that now Biden intends for 'equality' to become not just an American ideal but an American fact. — magritte
Is Black Lives Matter the same as Black Power? If not, which one should we be talking about? — magritte
Yes. In nature, as opposed to math or logic, no two things are ever identical or equal in every way. They may be equivalent in certain respects but not equal. All electrons may be interchangeable meaning equivalent in fact, but no two are ever physically identical in every way. Scaling up, it becomes ever more the case.Are you against equality as a fact? — Kenosha Kid
Yes. In nature, as opposed to math or logic, no two things are ever identical or equal in every way. They may be equivalent in certain respects but not equal. — magritte
The point is that if the world (or my much-needed brain transplant surgery) is at stake, I want the genius to do the job and not a well-respected minority representative. — magritte
Is skin-color not used as a marker of race? It is, as are other biological factors.
Let’s get this out of the way, then. Do you believe people should be discriminated against on the basis of race? — NOS4A2
Lots here, (though almost none of it addressed by my post).
Sure, many substitute skin pigmentation for race and base discrimination on it, that is (somewhat inaccurately) referred to as "racism". It is a small subset of the larger topic of "discrimination".
Many discriminate based on race (among many other things), that is not necessarily negative. However, you stipulated: "… discriminated AGAINST...", which, of course is negative by definition, so I am against that.
There are many examples of racial discrimination that are not negative (and I am not against those).
There is little difference between so-called positive and negative racial discrimination, in my view. In each case, one adopts a perverted racial taxonomy, a race hierarchy, and applies it to actual people. To give preference to one racial group is to do so at the expense of other racial groups, with little care for the actual flesh and blood individuals involved. Positive racial discrimination is not contrary to racism. It is the continued application of racism. — NOS4A2
Is it logical or illogical to take into account a real statistical difference between groups when dealing with an individual in that group? Not to stick with this difference when updated with individual information, but to start off in the absence of individual data/experience?
Rather than "reparations" for past crimes committed against whole peoples (genocide, slavery, ruthless economic exploitation, etc.), we should defund the class -- the ruling class -- that perpetrated the wrongs in the first place (and they are still at it).
Defunding the ruling class (through expropriation and public ownership of their wealth) would allow for the kind of economic redistribution that could help. — Bitter Crank
It depends on the group. I think it is illogical to take account of statistical differences between groups if the existence of those groups can be easily questioned. Take the idea of reparations, for instance. I think there is a solid argument for reparations, and I do think the United States should compensate the victims of slavery. But should someone like Kamala Harris get reparations on the basis of her “race”, even though she is (according to her father) the descendant of a slaver? — NOS4A2
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