while the other, Judiasm believes, he was not the Messiah, and so all the aforementioned are still in effect, ie. the punishments for breaking the commandments/Noahide Law. — Outlander
taken from Christianity — schopenhauer1
No, see, there is no "Christianity" without the fulfillment of the original Jewish prophecy ie. the Old Testament (specifically the times of it). The Old Testament (Abrahamic religious root prior to Christianity/prominence of Jesus) states, we are sinners, essentially damned, and will work until we turn to dust. If they didn't at least believe in the idea of Messiah, they were ignorant of Jewish law/prophecy/their true "alleged" religion and faith. It's just that simple. They did reject Jesus, and quite so, solely on the grounds they did not believe the prophecy was fulfilled and he was a false Messiah. But that's beyond the point. Just sorting it out for those reading who are curious. But, as you say, fiction, why not argue over whether or not the Easter Bunny is light or dark pink right? — Outlander
Did you fully read what I wrote? — schopenhauer1
Why does God have the Israelites march around the walls of Jericho once a day for six days and seven times on the seventh day before the walls fall? There doesn't appear to be any particular significance to doing this as far as I can tell, in fact there are a lot of other things that people are told by God to do in the Bible that don't appear to have any real reason or relation between them. But the people almost always seem to do the things without any apparent question even among themselves as to why doing A is supposed to lead to B.
Did people in those days simply not think so critically about these things or did they just blindly obey orders (by "God")? Because to be honest it is NOT a good thing in any case to just blindly obey orders, even by someone who you trust, because it means that you will essentially do anything that you are told and without knowing why, even if it is a bad thing to do. The Nazis were in fact trained to do just this, and to just do things that they were "supposed" to do without knowing or asking why or knowing if it was a bad thing. I would argue that some of them likely did not even know what a "bad thing" was. — BBQueue
The restrictions we are required to follow by penalty of damnation (Ten Commandments/Noahide Law), will one day be lifted by a prophesied Messiah ala "Savior". This is the Jewish prophecy. If you believe this prophecy has been fulfilled, you're a Christian. If you believe it has not but will be, you're a Jew. There's no other avenues. Other than yours, that it's all a bunch of crazy stories and the most miraculous event or series of events are nothing but coincidences, for what other possibility is there? Aside from the IRS scammers. — Outlander
Normative Rabbinic Judaism as it was developed from Second Temple period until about the 800s CE, doesn't believe "the messiah" would abrogate Jewish law. Many thought he would be a military hero and overthrow the empires that be (i.e. Rome). The messiah was supposed to usher in the end of times, and an age of peace. The king would rule in the era and everyone would follow the commandments according to Torah if Jewish or some form of Noahide if gentile. — schopenhauer1
Why does God have the Israelites march around the walls of Jericho once a day for six days and seven times on the seventh day before the walls fall? — BBQueue
The biblical "reason" for marching around in circles is Blind Obedience (just because God commanded it). But, in retrospect, after 3400 years, believers could imagine that God knew what the point of the meaningless march was, even if the marchers didn't.Why does God have the Israelites march around the walls of Jericho once a day for six days and seven times on the seventh day before the walls fall? — BBQueue
As for thinking critically, they certainly didn’t appear to value rationality over emotion or to hold out for evidence the way we do now
it honestly blows my mind that there are people out there who take this and other biblical prophecies as anything more than just a coincidence or a metaphor. — BBQueue
Yes. The biblical account of Jericho was a mythical history of something that happened many generations before it was written down. However, since some of the Priests & Scribes of Israel were numerologists, perhaps learned during the Babylonian captivity, the number seven has symbolic and superstitious implications. We may view the wall fall as a coincidence, but they would interpret the event as inevitable. :cool:The idea that it did just happen to fall as God determined that it would is extremely farfetched, and it honestly blows my mind that there are people out there who take this and other biblical prophecies as anything more than just a coincidence or a metaphor. — BBQueue
Why does God have the Israelites march around the walls of Jericho once a day for six days and seven times on the seventh day before the walls fall? — BBQueue
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