For all we know, on the cosmic scale, the universe has the attributes of a mind. — Wayfarer
What do you mean by "imperatives"? If a mind is reasonable, it follows the laws of reason. It doesn't create them — litewave
I provided a proof of what you have just flatly denied. — Bartricks
Well, I must say that your name is well chosen. You seem to be going out of your way not to get things.
↪litewave I don't think you understand arguments. I provided a proof. You haven't challenged a premise
↪Wayfarer I don't think you know what an 'answer' is
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But which country has a justice system where the prisoner is denied knowledge of what he has been condemned for, even for the sake of causing him additional suffering by this ignorance?
— litewave
It's called 'The World'. You're living in it. See my case for details
The claim that "this object has a purpose" is ambiguous between "this object has ends it is trying to pursue" and "this object has been created for an end".
Anyway, not sure why I am bothering as I am sure you're going to play the 'idiot's veto' again and claim "me no understandy".
No we CAN'T. You yourself mentioned that we are not morally perfect, so it does not seem like we can reasonably infer anything about GOD'S morality. — I don't get it
That makes no sense at all. — Bartricks
If your case against me depends on the ludicrous claim that 'for all we know' being morally perfect may well involve being a sadist or wholly unconcerned for the welfare of others, then you've failed to touch it. YOu might as well just say - as you know doubt do when any case escapes your understanding and seems to be leading to conclusions you dislike - "how do we know anything".
And as our reason is the means by which God communicates his own attitudes towards such matters to us, we now know that God has done this to us.
No, I don't see why one would expect it to be clear that we are being punished, or clear why. Ignorance of why exactly we are here is plausibly part of the punishment. — Bartricks
I just think something like GOD is probably going to be too far out of reach for us to attempt to predict his actions. — I don't get it
You act like I'm stupid and don't know anything when I say "God could put innocent people with dangerous, corrupt people, because his understanding or his morality is perfect and your's is not" — I don't get it
And thus that, it seems to me, is the best and most plausible answer to the question "what is the meaning of life?" The purpose of your being here is threefold. A) it is to protect innocent others from you. B) it is to give you your just deserts. C) it is to rehabilitate you.
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