Well, as far as I know, what is said must stand on its own, who said it is irrelevant. Ref: Epicurean dilemma. — TheMadFool
Theism just resonates more with me and feels more like how it really is, at least for me. It's at the edge of perception, or what an Atheist would call delusion, it's subjective and fuzzy so it's not like I can really support my view. — Paul S
I'm sorry I am not able to make this clear enough. My fault. What I'm trying to say is that God is an occult notion and Socrates (even if he never lived) is merely a dramatized method of philosophy.
There is no preexisting requirement that you believe Socrates existed. All you need to do is read the material and it speaks for itself. You cannot say the same thing about God in the Abrahamic tradition. Belief is the first step towards taking a moral position - without this you won't accept any of the 613 commandments, let alone the famous 10. As the believer will often argue, an atheist can follow the ten commandments but is still a sinner unless he believes in and loves God. — Tom Storm
*hrmph*I'm trying to reconstruct the Buddha's logic. Sorry, nothing explicit to go on except his conspicuous coyness on the matter of God and other metaphysical issues. — TheMadFool
One problem with this approach is that this is the same justification people often use for racism or any number of bigotries. 'It just feels to me that X race of people are inferior to the rest of us - this just resonates more with me.' It can be a trap to hold a belief merely because it is comforting or because you were socialized to think it. — Tom Storm
Theists are open to the possibility that something divine or supernatural can interfere with an experience and effect the outcome - that's very like an indeterministic outlook of the universe.
Atheists are not accepting of a divine or supernatural influence on experience that can effect an outcome - that's very like a deterministic outlook of the universe.
It is relevant who said what and being able to source it properly, already so that we can avoid fighting strawmen and people's drunk musings.Well, as far as I know, what is said must stand on its own, who said it is irrelevant. — TheMadFool
If we put ourselves in a god spectrum, we're probably somewhere in between evil and divine.
What do you think? — TaySan
What do you think about my argument that God exists as a linguistic concept. Therefore God exists as a construct in our mind. Therefore God is real? — TaySan
You're cherry picking. That's not at all in the spirit of what I was getting at. — Paul S
Theists are open to the possibility that something divine or supernatural can interfere with an experience and effect the outcome - that's very like an indeterministic outlook of the universe.
Atheists are not accepting of a divine or supernatural influence on experience that can effect an outcome - that's very like a deterministic outlook of the universe. — Paul S
Okay. So fairies aren't real, you say. But if someone were to experience a fairy, doesn't it make it real to them? Imagine your child has had a very vivid dream about a fairy. Wouldn't it be cruel to say the experience isn't real? — TaySan
Inaccurate use of the term cherry picking. I was simply restating the point you made and providing an assessment of it. — Tom Storm
ringing up bigotry as somehow intrinsic to any of this is confabulation. Who is really comforting themselves here? No offence. — Paul S
They hold this position because it resonates better with them. It just feels right. — Tom Storm
It remains the case that there is no stronger a case for atheism than there is for theism.
That isn't the point we are addressing. The point is; what basis do you have for accepting a proposition? If a person said atheism resonates with me better than theism, that's why I believe it, that would be inadequate. — Paul S
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