What is a belief, other than a memory? — Metaphysician Undercover
It is easier to hypothesize something as a belief than actually to believe it. — Pantagruel
. This point makes and proves why we are so different from animals or other creatures inside the savage world. The fact that abstract concepts created in our vocabulary as "metaphysics" or "beliefs" shows why we always want to improve our lives the better we want... Probably to reach the best goal everyone aspire = happiness (I just say this because it remembered me so fast when you quoted Aristotle).something
What is a belief, other than a memory? Nothing. And to believe is to have confidence in what is believed, i.e. the memory — Metaphysician Undercover
If I believe I am writing this now, how is that a memory? — Pantagruel
refer to all of those who have the power of believe in something: the next vaccine or reduce the Carbon emissions (for example). — javi2541997
Probably to reach the best goal everyone aspire = happiness — javi2541997
All those words which you are applying in reference to your belief, "I am writing this now", require a memory of meaning. — Metaphysician Undercover
the great danger and prevalence of self-deception — Pantagruel
There is a big difference between information and knowledge and I think that the main difference is the way in which knowledge is a more thorough exploration of ideas, especially in terms of personal belief. — Jack Cummins
This would be a vicious circularity. You can't believe something unless you already believed something. Clearly we do begin to believe, which is not an 'historical fact'. — Pantagruel
This is a more specialized use of "believe", to say "believe in". It is better represented as having faith in a particular power, or capacity, to overcome obstacles. To simply "believe" is to have faith in one's power of memory, but to "believe in" is to have faith in some capacity to act. — Metaphysician Undercover
To believe is to have an attitude of confidence toward your memory. Then a belief is the memory subjected to that attitude of confidence. — Metaphysician Undercover
So, probably, the epitome could be: being a believer in beliefs than can bring the power of act inside the world/society I live in. — javi2541997
I use it as a basis for looking at potential for research and for a reference for thinking through ideas. — Jack Cummins
So from personal experience, it seems that three stages exist: carelessness about knowledge, dabbling accumulation of fact such that a general picture of reality takes shape semiconsciously, and active synthesis for the sake of optimizing one's grasp of truth. The procession from one stage to the next is like a phase change in matter, — Enrique
Exactly. There is a correspondence between the quality of belief and the quality of the presentation (enactment) of the belief. That would be the fundamental (or to use Collingwood's term, absolute) presupposition. — Pantagruel
Yes, people don't 'believe' they want to be happy, they just do. — Pantagruel
Everyone (except a few) believe in climate change.
Someone believes in the quality of this belief and then wants to make a difference. — javi2541997
Having faith in something we can do comes when we are ready to pursue it. So I think firstly comes the act of "believe" in general terms and then "believe in..." specific terms. — javi2541997
Right, the belief is the "attitude of confidence" that is what we are discussing. It is not the memory, and it doesn't have to be "about" memory. Belief is always a living, current, fundamental commitment. — Pantagruel
Belief is always a living, current, fundamental commitment. — Pantagruel
we proceed toward the belief the hypothesis provides some sort of truth. — Metaphysician Undercover
That thing is a memory — Metaphysician Undercover
What you refer to here is the act of believing, which is distinct from, and ought not be called "belief". — Metaphysician Undercover
And an absolute presupposition is one which is actually believed as such. — Pantagruel
Ah, no. R.G. Collingwood's (RGC) ideas on metaphysics are simple and powerful. It is a shame to misunderstand them and get them wrong. — tim wood
I don't think that's quite right. A "belief" is a thing, the word used in this way is a noun. That thing is a memory which has been subjected to the process of believing. Believing is an activity and it is produced by the attitude of confidence. The belief is the result of this activity. So the belief is the memory which has been subjected to that process, of believing. It is not the attitude of confidence, nor is it the process (believing) which is produced by that attitude, it is the result of that process. — Metaphysician Undercover
In other places he wrote about religion, so RGC was perfectly capable of writing about believing and beliefs. But it is hard to find in RGC's Essay... any form of "believe." A few, but not in your sense or use of the word. And it would seem he took care to distinguish presuppositions from belief; he certainly did not use the word when easily he could have.He says quite clearly, the logical efficacy of a supposition does not derive from its truth, but only on its being supposed, i.e. believed. — Pantagruel
A "belief" is a thing, the word used in this way is a noun. That thing is a memory which has been subjected to the process of believing. Believing is an activity and it is produced by the attitude of confidence. The belief is the result of this activity. So the belief is the memory which has been subjected to that process, of believing. It is not the attitude of confidence, nor is it the process (believing) which is produced by that attitude, it is the result of that process. — Metaphysician Undercover
Your "i.e., believed" then is yours and not RGC's. Yours a reading-into as opposed to a reading-out-of, and as such a misrepresentation - and a major misreading - of his thinking. Confusing - conflating - belief and presupposition in RGC's thinking simply a mistake. — tim wood
So, sorry Tim, but you are not quite the authority that you present or believe yourself to be. — Pantagruel
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