"Name one thing," and you cannot or will not. — tim wood
Your argument is based on the fact that society has already been pre-established by the use of the State.
"Ask that same question to a bird who was trapped in a cage for his entire life, and if it somehow managed to answer you, it would tell you: - I had no choice! If I want to eat, I must stay inside the cage. If I want to sing, I still need to stay in the cage. When I do, those who put me in here are satisfied, but when I decided to leave the cage and do the same, they promptly captured me and I was imprisoned in the cage again."
It is obvious that in order to survive in this way in which society was structured, I still have to submit to the demands of the State, however, this does not prevent me from conceiving how bad and unnecessary it is.
Therefore, your contentment with the Status Quo is not a valid argument. — Gus Lamarch
How far do you get without government? Remember Hobbes? In fact, what is your point? Do you have one - beyond, perhaps, whining that government is not perfect?this does not prevent me from conceiving how bad and unnecessary it is. — Gus Lamarch
How far do you get without government? — tim wood
In fact, what is your point? — tim wood
The forum seems to have a plague of "sovereign citizens".
Folk who do not see the irony of their oxymoronic title. — Banno
I do not know where you live or how or the condition of your life, but I am pretty sure that you cannot go to bed at night, nor arise in morning without even at that experiencing some benefit of government that without government you would not have.
Of course if you want to live a mountain man in some wilderness, go to it! Although you're at least a century or two late. But you can make a go of it. Indoor plumbing? Pfft, a total government intrusion. Electricity? Running water? Clean water, or air? Infrastructure? You don't need them, for you have your stone axe. Food? How do you manage that one? Police? Medical care? Even education? None of these for you, and your life "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short." And without much in the way of laughs. — tim wood
The point here is that you can not point out anything at all. But if we imagine state or government away - poof, its gone - then what do you have?it is obvious that I could not quote something that I want, desire, seek, etc... that is not, in some way, bound in the State. — Gus Lamarch
Ad Hominem will only take this discussion to the garbage. — Gus Lamarch
The verdict of history seems to be that some form of government is preferable to none. And to be sure some have been better than others, but this latter not your argument. — tim wood
The point here is that you can not point out anything at all. — tim wood
With this you have departed coherence. Return when your meds have been adjusted. — tim wood
The only time most US folks encounter any issue with capital gains taxes is with the sale of a principle residence, usually held for a period of years. That gain, for most folks, can be rolled into a new home, or the gain itself is subject to an substantial deduction, the practical result being for most folks little or no tax. Rich and richer folks, on the other hand, stand to make a tremendous gain if they're not taxed. The rich would be glad to support you in eliminating that tax. — tim wood
On the other hand, Nordic countries have high taxes and their HDIs are in Top 10 or so. — litewave
Yeah, because economy works when stuff is given for free and people pay for it voluntarily.
But you seem to deny the reality of cost, and that someone or ones must pay. But the question to you too, which you have ignored. What is a part of your life that you benefit from that government has nothing to do with? I see the news this day that New Zealand has posted tsunami warnings following a significant earthquake - but what need have you of that!when it is premised on the denial of someone’s liberty and the appropriation of the fruits of his labor. — NOS4A2
Or if they're selling stock, or cryptocurrency, or collectables like comic books or baseball cards. — BitconnectCarlos
Sweet Jesus! You really don't know! Sure, your pipsqueak capitalist saves a hundred, maybe even a thousand dollars. But he or she is an infant playing on a financial highway. While he's saving chump-change, the rich are absorbing the country. — tim wood
But the question to you too, which you have ignored. — tim wood
If your main concern is equality, the best way to do what would be to crash the stock market. Everyone would suffer, but we'd all be more equal. If a nuclear war broke out we'd all be much more equal. — BitconnectCarlos
So let's imagine this is all gone. What do you have? Is that the fourth time asked? . — tim wood
Arguments based upon authority are the weakest kind. — Valentinus
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