It is far from clear to me that lockdowns to prevent a virus from spreading are ethically justified. — Bartricks
Well, isn't that the situation we're all in with the pandemic? We know that if we associate with others, there's a risk we'll get the virus or, if we unknowingly have it already, pass it on to others. But, well, so long as we all know this, surely no one has the right to stop us associating if we want to? — Bartricks
But hey, that Covid is nothing, barely even real. So what if in one year it has killed a lot more Americans than were American soldiers killed in all of WWII - but that's probably fake news, right, — tim wood
Fishfry is a nice guy, but the quoted statement is BS. — Bitter Crank
Fishfry is a nice guy — Bitter Crank
Can you elaborate on this? Interested on how lockdowns, in themselves, will kill more people. — Trips
There are many non-fatal consequences of these mental health issues, such as increased self-harm by children. — tim wood
So far you've got nothing, and it's more than a little disturbing that you think you do. — tim wood
stick to math — tim wood
Ethics involves care for others; that seems to be beyond their comprehension. — Banno
Bullshit. They are selfish dicks. — Banno
I am far more at risk from social violence now than I was 18 months ago. — Book273
They are selfish dicks. — Banno
I would not want to minimize the consequences of the lockdown. — Bitter Crank
While I am an old guy and don't get around much any more (every day is a sort of lockdown), — Bitter Crank
that's not true of younger people. Some people think the shutdown in Minnesota contributed to the ferocity of the riots last may that did so much damage, and the crime wave that has followed. I'm not sure about that, but it seems plausible. I'm sure the lockdown has been quite emotionally distressing to children and youth. — Bitter Crank
The lockdown was an economic disaster for service workers in closed businesses -- absolutely no doubt about that. Use of food shelves has been very high. Homelessness has increased too. — Bitter Crank
Still, 530,000 dead from Covid-19 in the US is unlikely to be matched by deaths from domestic turmoil caused by the lockdown. 2.6 million Covid deaths world-wide is more than a blip on the radar, but it's a fraction of world deaths from all causes. — Bitter Crank
By contrast, in the 1918 Influenza Epidemic, about 1/3 of the world's population became infected with influenza and around 50 million died -- that at a time when world population was significantly smaller than now -- below 2B. 50 million dead from influenza was close to a doubling of total deaths world wide. — Bitter Crank
I didn't look at your list of links -- too late just now to do that, bed time coming up. But I still think the strategic business closures, social distancing, mask wearing, and avoidance of group gatherings helped — Bitter Crank
But fentanyl, oxycodone, heroine, meth, other drugs, and alcohol have been a leading cause of death in the affected demographic for 2 or 3 years, at least -- haven't they? — Bitter Crank
Just put your fucking mask on and stay the hell away from everybody else -- 6 feet. And wash your hands, too. Get the vaccine, too, or else. Can you manage all that? — Bitter Crank
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