Ultimately consciousness needs to be explained in practical rather than purely philosophical terms. — Gary Enfield
I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness. — Max Planck
. Awareness is not consciousness and at best is just one of several factors in achieving consciousness. — Gary Enfield
1.The synergy of atoms combined forms molecules
2. The synergy of molecules combined forms amino acids
3. the synergy of amino acids combined forms proteins: (100% confidence level) — Pop
We might ask why. What purpose does it serve to have a more complicated molecule? The answer might be that it allows for a greater variety of possibilities, those being possible chemical reactions. — Metaphysician Undercover
What do you mean by chemical reactions? — Pop
If I'm not mistaken, a chemical reaction is a change in substance, where substance is determined by the molecules. So a chemical reaction would change a bunch of molecules into other molecules. This usually is associated with the various types of bonding between atoms, through the positioning of electrons. — Metaphysician Undercover
From a systems perspective, we are an amalgam of elements, very much like a school of fish. It is organization that creates a self ( self organization ). The school of fish becomes a self. The synergy of the school forms a self. The self of the school of fish is an emergent self driven property. — Pop
Sure, the organization is a "self", but the question is what causes the elements to organize in this way. You cannot say that the "self" is the cause, because you've already said that the "self" is the effect. It doesn't seem like an understanding to me. — Metaphysician Undercover
How is that less difficult then imagining that each one of my cells, or each one of my molecules is a fish? — Metaphysician Undercover
Let's make it simple. I think you can imagine (roughly) being another person (e.g. John Malkovich). Can you also imagine being all actors at the same time? — SolarWind
Sorry, I find it very difficult to imagine being another person. I find it logically insignificant as to whether I am me, or you, or John Malkovich, but i find it impossible to imagine actually being another person. Logic can take me places where imagination can't go. — Metaphysician Undercover
but the question is what causes the elements to organize in this way. — Metaphysician Undercover
And POP - I cannot see where I made any reference to prions, yet you launched into a diatribe on this matter claiming that it was a point that I made. Can you please explain? — Gary Enfield
You have not provided any examples which challenge my assertion that : any natural self organization would only build structure, and not do anything to resolve dynamic conceptual problems — Gary Enfield
self organisation builds structures over time. It is not a factor that resolves dynamic problems quickly in the moment. — Gary Enfield
So, how can molecules correctly work out each complex step without some crude form of awareness? — Gary Enfield
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