Don't recall the details (my memory is getting about as good as my note taking abilities), but I'm guessing these moves are questionable according to the 4th Geneva Convention (and related protocols/policies), and the 1951 Refugee Convention. — jorndoe
The circus peanut-in-chief has his Goebbels at his side...the circle is nearly complete. Oh, well...America had a good 240 year run (not perfect, sure, but we generally kept democracy chugging along pretty smoothly for most of that time).The Executive Order was drafted by Steve Bannon, white supremacist (and now an appointee to the National Security Council which never usually includes political operatives). America is being nazi-fied right in front of our eyes. — Wayfarer
The circus peanut-in-chief has his Goebbels at his side...the circle is nearly complete. Oh, well...America had a good 240 year run (not perfect, sure, but we generally kept democracy chugging along pretty smoothly for most of that time) — Arkady
The use of social media as a platform to divide democracies works, in part, because the strategy preys on a fundamental blind spot in open societies: the origin and volume of voices taking part in an online discussion.
For once, we Sir, are in agreement (Y)The philosopher king has to lay the foundations for the new society. I'd say he is more of a visionary then anything else, he must see far into the future, with a plan, to direct the coming into being of the new society. Remember, the task of the philosopher king is not to rule over society, but to lead the people out of the cave, to help them to see the light. Morality for Plato is tied up with eugenics, as an attempt to direct evolution. Jesus Christ could be understood as a sort of philosopher king. Religion made him into a god. But it would be impossible to have a philosopher king without involving religion. — Metaphysician Undercover
For once, we Sir, are in agreement (Y) — Agustino
The moment Sir, is eternal. See the irony? >:OEnjoy the moment, it's bound to be short lived. — Metaphysician Undercover
Two superficial misreadings, which I do enjoy trolling ;)Two votes. — Metaphysician Undercover
Trump is merely molotov cocktail in the face of neo-liberalist capitalism and mass-consumption democracy for me - he's a cleansing of the scene — Agustino
No. Trump is a Machiavellian practitioner of Realpolitik, but not an opportunist; there is a difference between the two. Hillary Clinton is an opportunist - she says whatever is popular in an effort to get elected. The popular current on gay marriage changes, she changes her views, and so forth. Trump doesn't.Isn't it fairly obvious that Trump is an (almost Machiavellian) opportunist? *shrug* ¨\_(O)_/¯ — jorndoe
Yea...I long ago dismissed Agustino as a moral lunatic. My question to the mods some time ago as to whether certain posters can be blocked from one's view was motivated pretty much solely by a desire not to see his ridiculous posts.But notice your non sequitur from "why should I care what Agustino thinks" to "why should I care what anyone thinks". Again, your style is more trollish than interesting. — Banno
No. Trump is a Machiavellian practitioner of Realpolitik, but not an opportunist; there is a difference between the two. — Agustino
No that's not true at all. Being an opportunist means taking or choosing positions based on what is winning, regardless of your own views - it's equivalent to not having any views at all. Hillary Clinton - against gay marriage when gay marriage wasn't popular, for gay marriage when gay marriage became popular. Trump isn't like this. Trump has strong views - on trade, on torture, etc. - views which are largely not popular and he stands by them, and uses politics as a tool to get them implemented. He's a practitioner of Realpolitik - beating his enemies, and implementing his policies. Not being an opportunist - being an opportunist means betraying your own values if that's what it takes to win. He's not such a person.The difference between realpolitik and opportunism is that realpolitik has made opportunism into an ideology and denies this fact. — Metaphysician Undercover
Being an opportunist means taking or choosing positions based on what is winning, regardless of your own views - it's equivalent to not having any views at all. — Agustino
Trump has strong views - on trade, on torture, etc. - views which are largely not popular and he stands by them, and uses politics as a tool to get them implemented. — Agustino
Opportunism is choosing your views based on whether they're winning. Trump CLEARLY doesn't do this, by sheer virtue of the fact that his views are very unpopular.Come on Agustino, an individual must have a view of what is "winning", in order to be an opportunist. You cannot negate this to say that opportunism is equivalent to having no views at all. — Metaphysician Undercover
Opportunism is choosing your views based on whether they're winning. Trump CLEARLY doesn't do this, by sheer virtue of the fact that his views are very unpopular. — Agustino
And what does this have to do with opportunism again? :-} Opportunism is choosing to believe X because that's what it takes for you to be a winner. Trump believes X because he believes X, and seeks to make X win. That's different. Hillary Clinton believes gay marriage should be legal, not because she really believes it, but because that's what it takes to believe in order to get elected (win). There you go - one is an opportunist, the other isn't.Where there are winners, there are losers. "Winning", means others are losing. Having as a goal "to win", makes you unpopular. The two things which you said Trump has strong views on, trade and torture, are both means for winning. Come on, "America First", is not a goal of winning? — Metaphysician Undercover
↪Wayfarer ↪Moliere This thread began as an epistemological analysis of the term 'post truth'. The article I linked elsewhere about narcissistic personality disorder goes further to explain the reasons behind Trump's unusual relationship with truth. I think it provides us with more insight, predicting the purging that is likely to happen next when Trump's desires are frustrated. — Banno
Trump believes X because he believes X, and seeks to make X win. — Agustino
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