You are arguing that it was not violent and not against the government?
I'm arguing it isn't an uprising or rebellion. — NOS4A2
Sidney Powell — praxis
People rioted outside Trump's inauguration. People rioted outside the Whitehouse. People overtook entire blocks of some cities. Since they were violent and were aimed at government, were these insurrections to you? — NOS4A2
I wish he had led the nutters in because then he would now be where he belongs, behind bars with horn guy. — praxis
Let's remember that Trump was in charge of the executive branch and the commander of the military, hence this would have been a self-coup. — ssu
Donald Trump lives to be at heart a media personality, who absolutely enjoys the idol worship by his supporters. — ssu
Hence the Trump administration would had have to fire a lot of generals until they would have gotten military servicemen that thought that "protecting the constitution" would mean to halt the election process. — ssu
The ugliest thing is that the World would have adapted to the new situation — ssu
A lot of Americans would have just minded their own business — ssu
The real issue is that there does exist those, who could go through, if they would get into power. — ssu
courage and leadership
— Todd Martin
Todd!
Can you elaborate on those concepts viz your thesis? — 3017amen
force and fear
— Todd Martin
Can you (also) elaborate a bit more on those concepts viz your thesis? — 3017amen
America did survive the insurrection for the simple reason there wasn’t one. — NOS4A2
There wasn’t one, rather, because it didn’t succeed. There can be no doubt about the intention of the insurrectionist: they were ready to hang Pence and Pelosi and any other politician who smelled of anti-Trumpism, including McConnell. — Todd Martin
The division b/w those who see no coup attempt here, and those who do, is the difference b/w literal and subliminal message. Someone can insert a statement that is contrary to their overall message; but to take that statement as proof that their alleged intention is a fantasy, is itself the actual fantasy — Todd Martin
very sparse with anything close to violent — FlaccidDoor
The Capitol assault resulted in one of the worst days of injuries for law enforcement in the United States since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. At least 138 officers — 73 from the Capitol Police and 65 from the Metropolitan Police Department in Washington — were injured, the departments have said. They ranged from bruises and lacerations to more serious damage such as concussions, rib fractures, burns and even a mild heart attack.
the courage to lead his mob/army into the Capitol in order to gain control of electoral ratification. That is what I meant. — Todd Martin
In other words, the public saw through it — 3017amen
Gotta give the majority of American's credit, they saw through the bull — 3017amen
I would say Trump was unsuccessful in carrying out this take-over because he underestimated the wisdom of the masses — 3017amen
But they keep their oath instead of saying they are oath keepers; much as the predator lives in grace with his pray, rather than simply saying grace before he eats. — James Riley
Not to mention our wonderful system of checks and balances. — 3017amen
Of course, you are not an advocate of 'Presidential Leadership' skills that encourage domestic violence and law breaking and disorder, — 3017amen
.even if unintended...but especially if intended. — Todd Martin
Was it by wisdom that the masses voted him in in the first place? We let the wolf in the door...and he wasn’t even dressed in sheep’s clothing! We all knew what he was when, through our wisdom, we voted for him in 2016. Why then did we vote for him? — Todd Martin
wonderful was it, that it was a wonder anyone wondered why Trump put Bill Barr in as Attorney General; that wonder wonderfully dissipated as soon as Barr gave his public summary of the Russia Collusion Investigation. — Todd Martin
All I am saying is that Trump was in a position, on January 6, that he could have led his army, instead of just trusting in them to do it all for him, to the Capitol, put all his chips in, and, not just gambled (which activity I suppose he is familiar with, especially on the golf-course) in the contest, but participated in it...and not just participated, but could have been the main character, the chief, the general, THE MAN...and either won or lost his cause, to remain perpetual leader of the greatest country in the world, by his own merits... — Todd Martin
but he didn’t have the balls to do what was needed to insure that bet. By withdrawing, he insured his safety at the cost of the cause. He still hoped the cause would be achieved, but because he valued his own personal safety more, he risked less, and, though hoping for more, nevertheless got exactly what he risked.
I think he thought he had to hole it in from the fairway, so he wasn’t willing to bet on it...
...but maybe he just had to sink a 15 foot putt. — Todd Martin
I have to confess it was not intentional — James Riley
In the unimaginable event that Trump had a successful coup d'état on January 6th, I wonder if he would have made horn guy the Secretary of Agriculture. I assume he has penchant for animal husbandry. — praxis
Actually it was the opposite. It was a lack of wisdom — 3017amen
It certainly backfired on Trump that's for sure — 3017amen
The obvious obstacle was the military — ssu
In a coup one must have the support of the military above all else. But the top brass weren’t with him, — Todd Martin
Another Kool-Aid guzzler, I guess. — praxis
That’s my point, Mr. Amen: how do we extol the wisdom of a ppl in rejecting an unfit president when it was the same ppl who voted him in in the first place? — Todd Martin
Did the American ppl suddenly become wise after four years? — Todd Martin
If we were truly wise, would we have elected him to start with? — Todd Martin
Isn’t wisdom a permanent and timeless virtue? — Todd Martin
What virtue, then, of a wolf, were we seeking as the primary quality in a leader? — Todd Martin
He only got fired after he had to admit that the election was lost... — Todd Martin
Barr was jettisoned after his usefulness ran out, but he had been very useful up until that point... — Todd Martin
In other words, might he had fired and hired top brass so as to install his minions, in the wake of the coup attempt, so that, after it had succeeded, he could trust in them to support him? — Todd Martin
which both rioters and the police had — FlaccidDoor
As in taking headlines like, "Insurrection by orange man almost wipes America out" with a grain of salt, is not the same as saying the insurrection did not happen. — FlaccidDoor
The only confirmed murders were by the police to the rioters. — FlaccidDoor
Naw, I guess not. It was good to let them blow their wad, see what a loser they were backing, and go home defeated. On the other hand, they did strike the king, so . . .? Then again, the left is nothing if not magnanimous in victory. — James Riley
Maybe a difference between policeman and soldiers. I think of police as being necessarily more autonomous, which of course in the case of bad or ill-trained policemen is a catastrophe waiting.Those who did may have sufferer from hesitancy due to peer pressure from those who did not want to implement the protocols. — James Riley
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