If the sceptical reasonings be strong, say they, ’tis a proof, that reason may have some force and authority: if weak, they can never be sufficient to invalidate all the conclusions of our understanding. This argument is not just; because the sceptical reasonings, were it possible for them to exist, and were they not destroy’d by their subtility, wou’d be successively both strong and weak, according to the successive dispositions of the mind. Reason first appears in possession of the throne, prescribing laws, and imposing maxims, with an absolute sway and authority. Her enemy, therefore, is oblig’d to take shelter under her protection, and by making use of rational arguments to prove the fallaciousness and imbecility of reason, produces, in a manner, a patent under her hand and seal. This patent has at first an authority, proportion’d to the present and immediate authority of reason, from which it is deriv’d. But as it is suppos’d to be contradictory to reason, it gradually diminishes the force of that governing power, and its own at the same time; till at last they both vanish away into nothing, by a regular and just diminution. The sceptical and dogmatical reasons are of the same kind, tho’ contrary in their operation and tendency; so that where the latter is strong, it has an enemy of equal force in the former to encounter; and as their forces were at first equal, they still continue so, as long as either of them subsists; nor does one of them lose any force in the contest, without taking as much from its antagonist. ’Tis happy, therefore, that nature breaks the force of all sceptical arguments in time, and keeps them from having any considerable influence on the understanding. Were we to trust entirely to their self-destruction, that can never take place, ’till they have first subverted all conviction, and have totally destroy’d human reason.
(...)the law of habit is itself a causal law.
Therefore if we take Hume seriously we must say: Although in the past the sight of an apple has been conjoined with expectation of a certain kind of taste, there is no reason why it should continue to be so conjoined: perhaps the next time I see an apple I shall expect it to taste like roast beef. You may, at the moment, think this unlikely; but that is no reason for expecting that you will think it unlikely five minutes hence. If Hume's objective doctrine is right, we have no better reason for expectations in psychology than in the physical world.
Cool but.. can't you prove anything from a negation? — Zophie
If these philosophers believe the truth is a real thing, aren't they trying to refute a tautology? Why bother? — Zophie
If so, does this not just further demonstrate what he said was true? He would be the one to know.Chomsky was a prolific user of media in saying that media deliberately falsifies explanations as propaganda, making himself a propagandist. — ernest meyer
I notice your explanation of there being proof prequires provability, which, like all deduction, involves a signal conversion to new rules that isn't licenced by the prior system. It is just given. — Zophie
Chomsky was a prolific user of media in saying that media deliberately falsifies explanations as propaganda, making himself a propagandist — ernest meyer
Speaking of translation, I don't know what Hume is talking about. — Zophie
(...) just as it is not impossible for the man who has ascended to a high place by a ladder to overturn the ladder with his foot after his ascent, so also it is not unlikely that the Sceptic after he has arrived at the demonstration of his thesis by means of the argument proving the non-existence of proof, as it were by a step-ladder, should then abolish this very argument.
It rearranges what is already known. It's a method of translation, not of truth in the traditional sense. — Zophie
I'm merely suggesting that the method of deductive proof is generally trivial. In my humble opinion a skeptic may be better served by moving to a relativist model since that allows the following phrasing:I should clarify that the argument in the OP is not one for the conclusion that “proof does not exist” — Amalac
All of this is trivially true. — Zophie
'which logic? (and for what?)' — Zophie
I think the arguments of skeptics -- using those systems at least -- give trivial subjections to those systems that resolve to the thesis that not even logic can disprove logic, and that this is expected because it's a sign that the logic is true. — Zophie
(...) just as it is not impossible for the man who has ascended to a high place by a ladder to overturn the ladder with his foot after his ascent, so also it is not unlikely that the Sceptic after he has arrived at the demonstration of his thesis by means of the argument proving the non-existence of proof, as it were by a step-ladder, should then abolish this very argument.
At face value, no. I would say it needs another element to make it properly analyzable, though.Surely you'd say that sceptical arguments such as the argument that uses Agrippa's Trilemma to conclude “therefore there are no proofs” is invalid. — Amalac
I didn't. It's set by the definitions of every well-defined system.How did you come to that conclusion? — Amalac
At face value, no. I would say it needs another element to make it properly analyzable, though. — Zophie
I didn't. It's set by the definitions of every well-defined system. — Zophie
It's unrealistic. Propositions may be true/false but any actual proposition is defeasible.what is wrong with the argument that has the horns of the Trilemma as its premises and “Therefore no claim is justified” as it's conclusion? — Amalac
I don't know, why should they? Because they do? Because they can?why should the sceptic accept them then? — Amalac
One of the arguments used against skeptics since the times of ancient Greece and down to the present day, starts from the following implication: "If there is no proof, there is proof" (¬p → p) — Amalac
Wouldn't it have been simpler to point out that this leads directly to a contradiction, and hence is invalid? — Banno
More interestingly, who are the Greeks and others who used such a silly argument? — Banno
If there is a proof, there is a proof.
If there is no proof, there is a proof.
Either there is a proof or there is no proof.
Therefore, there is a proof.
The second premiss is surely a contradiction, no? — Banno
SO yes, it is a bad argument. But it's far from the only argument against scepticism. — Banno
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