We are limited by our five sense, — SteveMinjares
Isn't this the same question as, "Does the cup cease to exist when put away in the cupboard?"...does reality still exist? — SteveMinjares
If you loose your sense, never had past experiences of your reality but maintain your own awareness does reality still exist? — SteveMinjares
What role would logic, knowledge, faith and wisdom play to bring meaning? — SteveMinjares
Isn't this the same question as, "Does the cup cease to exist when put away in the cupboard?"
What's your answer to that? — Banno
If, on inspection, you found that the cup was not in the cupboard where you had left it, you would be entitled to ask why, to make enquiries. You would seek a cause for the anomaly. — Banno
A seperate point: Faith is different to trust. You might arguably simply trust that the cup is there when it can't be seen. Faith, in contrast, is belief despite, or in the face of, the facts. Faith believes this is the blood of Christ, despite the fact that it is wine. Faith would be insisting the cup was absent when all could see it. — Banno
My personal definition of faith is having a loving and trusting relationship.
That is why many loose faith because they assume faith is following laws and technicality. Than you have atheist doing rituals who go to Church (but that’s a subject for another time) — SteveMinjares
Generally faith is how people explain holding a belief when they don't have good reason for it. In the context of theology it isn't the same thing as love and it needs to be said that you can introduce me to the people you listed above. God, it could be said, remains undetectable, absent - at best the subject of cryptic signs or speculations. Or, in the absence of evidence... faith — Tom Storm
A married man has a wife, she loves him and She loves her. — SteveMinjares
True but I would think the cup is serving a more urgent need greater than my own. And the answer to my question will be answered on its own time. It will come naturally to me and I don’t need to pursue it. — SteveMinjares
My personal definition of faith is having a loving and trusting relationship. — SteveMinjares
...when they don't have good reason for it. — Tom Storm
The blind person has a choice to trust in the testimony or not. Whatever he decides will become his reality. — SteveMinjares
There is no physical proof that she will stay faithful to him. Just her love which is the testimony of her fidelity. Will she every be with another man? The only thing that is certain is that love is sustaining the faith in there marriage. Is the love for one another that cause them to believe in each other without proof. — SteveMinjares
Trust and faith are distinct. Trust is earned and warranted. Faith is demanded and conscripted. — Banno
Faith, as I understand it, is the acceptance of the testimony of a sacred text or of a religious community. The two, in fact, go together, because if the sacred texts are taken as guides to practical life, their authority is inseparable from the authority of the religious officials whose role is to interpret them. In the Judeo-Christian tradition for instance the very notion of “the Bible” as a single entity depends on the various authorities throughout our history who have established the canon. However impressive individual books may be, to see them as elements of a single revelation containing some or all of the other books is already tacitly to accept a religious authority that defines the canon. One might gather together the works of Homer, Hesiod, Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, Herodotus and Thucydides into an epitome of Greek thought. The anthology would share a common cultural tradition and cohere as well or ill as the bible does. But we would not treat it as a single book, to be treated differently from all other books, because there has never been a Hellenic rabbinate or episcopate to canonize such a collection.
The common characteristic of faith in almost all religious traditions is its irrevocability. A faith which is held tentatively is no true faith. It must be held with the same degree of certainty as knowledge. In some traditions the irrevocability of faith is reinforced by the imposition of the death penalty for apostasy, which is the abandonment of faith.
Aquinas, from whom I have drawn my account of religious faith, notes that it does not fit into the categorization of mental states which he, anticipating Dawkins, set out. “The state which is belief involves a firm adhesion to one side of the question. In this a believer is in the same position as someone who has knowledge or understanding; and yet his assent is not warranted by any clear vision, so that in that respect he resembles someone who doubts, guesses, or is convinced.”2
Faith, then, resembles knowledge in being irrevocable, but differs from it in being a commitment in the absence of adequate evidence.
Faith, as I understand it, is the acceptance of the testimony of a sacred text or of a religious community.
The common characteristic of faith in almost all religious traditions is its irrevocability. A faith which is held tentatively is no true faith.
In some traditions the irrevocability of faith is reinforced by the imposition of the death penalty for apostasy, which is the abandonment of faith.
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