I was actually asking which courage you were referring, not being sarcastic or snide if that mattered in you decision to ignore the question. — DingoJones
That's why taking of life in self defense is only approved of in most cases of 'the law' under direct imminent threat, and even then, only in the more violent nations. — ernest meyer
“And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, a girl sitting on her own in a small café in Rickmansworth suddenly realized what it was that had been going wrong all this time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a good and happy place. This time it was right, it would work, and no one would have to get nailed to anything.”
If he's stuck, then he can't sacrifice himself. He has no choice in the matter, he literally can't do anything.The issue here is that someone is get stuck and somehow would sacrifice himself for others. — javi2541997
And how exactly would you do that? He's literally blocking the hole.Give the dynamite to the fat man and let him decide. — Banno
If he's stuck, then he can't sacrifice himself. He has no choice in the matter, he literally can't do anything.
In short, there is no right answer. That's what makes it a dilemma. — counterpunch
True! But another interesting fact is that the people argument different answers when they check the dilemma, even they end up creating another dilemma inside the original one. Previously, I randomly named this dilemma as spiral because it can led us in an infinite situation of debates. I would sound strange but this is the part I like the most about dilemmas — javi2541997
As this is a question of morality, according to the author, I will answer accordingly.There seems no way to get the fat man loose without using [that] dynamite which will inevitably kill him; but if they do not use it everyone will drown. What should they do? — javi2541997
But our time is short. We need answers now, and what we have instead is confusion. — counterpunch
We need answers, and what we have instead is confusion. — counterpunch
Try asking this question on one on one: what if there's only one person stuck in the cave besides the fat man. It's either the fat man or the other. — Caldwell
Probably this happens because humans tend to think and use a ideas or knowledge to improve our reality. It is true that praxis and action take advantage of the important issues. Nevertheless, one of the unique aspects inside us is the ability of questioning everything. Like we both are doing here about dilemmas. I guess this was the important step when we evolved to Homo sapiens sapiens. — javi2541997
The scenario is an artificial one designed to create confusion. Have some answers instead. Don't kill people. Not even when it is very convenient to do so. Don't blow them up even if they are right in the way and you urgently need to be somewhere. It's murder, even if you save some lives on the side.
While we're at it, don't torture people either, even if they have the magic life saving information and won't give it to you. — unenlightened
Morality is too complicated to base it on iron-clad rules. What we would do in one situation with some people - strangers - we wouldn't do with other people like family and friends. This generalizes to most cases. — Manuel
Hence it becomes the application of heuristics - Muddling along, if you prefer. The best that can be done is to try to do better each time.
Virtue ethics, then. It's about growing, becoming better. — Banno
That is why this scenario, "choice" of action among available alternatives is not necessarily an ethical one. It is one of practicality -- "either you or me". Like I said, consent or the will is important.Interesting point! I put an example of a group because the original author pretended to defend that mostly the masses would act against to the individual just to survive.
If is only one man against the fat man, this one would die anyways but I guess in this example is quite worse for awareness because the responsibility cannot distributed — javi2541997
is not necessarily an ethical one. It is one of practicality -- "either you or me". Like I said, consent or the will is important. — Caldwell
Sure. If we commit ourselves to some extremely high moral standard, we are likely to fall short of it. This issue of looking to "moral leaders" and the like, is a big mistake. — Manuel
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