The last phrase I still think is focused on an observable/measurable reality - specifically evidence of potency. Why does someone need to be the first to volunteer? If you’re second or third, what does that mean? — Possibility
Why does someone need to be the first to volunteer? If you’re second or third, what does that mean? — Possibility
Your edits of the OP are definitely more to my liking. As for the physical-emotional dichotomy, my cruder(?) corollary has always been – observing 'grown females' among family & friends compared to 'grown males' – that males tend to be sprinters (out of the gutter, peeps) and females relay or distance runners. Explosive strength and endurance strength (which are complementary). Each sex is constituted by both strengths and individuals vary in the ratio of complementary strengths manifest in their respective dispositions. Yin-Yang, right? Still, perhaps due to the traditional straitjackets of gender-socialization, females, on average, are "built" to endure labor-pains, acute menses, child bereavement & interminable patience; males, on average, seem fragile by comparison and thereby psychologically "need" to overcompensate for our actual and perceived inadequacies. Whatever. 'Hermaphroditic polymorphs' shoehorned into (orthoprax) gender roles? :eyes: I don't know. — 180 Proof
What distinguishes "this version of masculinity" is an emphasis on physicality.
Sure, let it "have a place"; but it's mundane, somewhat anachronistic, and needlessly restricting. So let's not commend it. — Banno
Hi Guys,
I am going to take a wild stab and guess that the male demographic of contributors on this forum are like me: youngish, humanities-educated, and nerdy. (If I am wrong please let me know!)
This is a question about masculinity. Nowadays the "John Wayne" image of the "strong silent" type of man is viewed as being regressive and borderline toxic. And hell: I've never been that; all through high school I was nerdy, non-sporty, and obscure AF. However, due to the working class background of my family, and because of genes that have given me an ironically massive body, I have always had a very strong sense of manhood.
I will briefly summarise the "man code" as it has been handed down to me.
(I am not suggesting that women are not capable of these things. I have met women in my life that embody these attributes a lot better than I ever can. This is a comment on societal expectations.)
As a man you should not complain too loudly about difficulty or pain, you should expect hardship and bear the burden, you should never use your physical strength to harm those weaker than you, you should use your strength to help those weaker than you, you should be the first to volunteer, et al.
We (male audience, although women very interested to hear opinion) will have different versions of roughly the same code.
My question is this: do you think that this version of masculinity has a place in the modern world? — BigThoughtDropper
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I think the most important thing a person can do is conquer their ego. It's the root cause of a lot of problems, for men and women. I don't think it's possible to totally overcome your ego, but it's possible to minimize it's destructive influence. — RogueAI
I don’t think this has anything to with survival. — Possibility
My question is this: do you think that this version of masculinity has a place in the modern world?
I challenge this, although I acknowledge that from a recent viewpoint this seems true. Your date of change is about right. A survey of high school yearbooks around that time shows a change from a jacket-and-tie and short haircut conformity to a much more relaxed standard, and in more than dress and personal style. This change occurring in just a few years.Until 1958 we educated for independent thinking. — Athena
I am going to take a wild stab and guess that the male demographic of contributors on this forum are like me: youngish, humanities-educated, and nerdy. (If I am wrong please let me know!) — BigThoughtDropper
but I do think it's important to put some bark on.... But there is a difference between a bull in china shop and a bull in the field. It might be advisable to wrangle one, but it might be advisable to leave the other one alone. — James Riley
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Last summer I tried using prostitutes and found it surprisingly affordable. — Bitter Crank
As to those who need help, often that need can only be met by a corporate level of effort. — tim wood
A real man is someone who is a father, an Olympic champion, a stepfather, a husband, a multi-millionaire, someone who raises billionaire daughters and step-daughters, an international celebrity, and someone who will be the next Republican governor of California. He is all that and America's sweetheart. — Hanover
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