By reason I suppose I must mean logic, reason itself being the use of it, and the argument the incidental form it takes. — tim wood
Nihilism is the concept of reason separated from the concept of the good. — Stanley Rosen
No indeed, Their needs not so much about what was so and what was not so, but rather what could either be or not be, or what to do or not do. And for that A. gave us Rhetoric and the arts of persuasion, his far from either the first or the last word. The - his - point being that Rhetoric and Dialectic (logic) are two different animals. And still are.Reason for the ancients was not the same as modern reason modeled on mathematics. — Fooloso4
This seems meaningful (to me) in passing, but not up close. It's not about reason and good, but about concepts of them - whatever that means. Reason itself a tool, like a 3/8ths-inch wrench, and with the same moral significance, which is to say none. Similarly with "the" good.Nihilism is the concept of reason separated from the concept of the good. — Stanley Rosen
It's not about reason and good, but about concepts of them - whatever that means. Reason itself a tool — tim wood
with the same moral significance — tim wood
Is his reduceable without too much violence to a few sentences that you could provide, that would make the persuasiveness of his demonstrably clear? — tim wood
Reason for the ancients was not the same as modern reason modeled on mathematics. — Fooloso4
The Greek cause, αἰτία (aitia) is a square peg that does not fit into the round hole of the modern "cause." Thus it is a mistake to make the connection. From The Idea of Nature, "To a Greek, anything goes by the name "cause" which in any of the various senses of that word provides an answer to a question beginning with the word why" (75).why does [X] exist, accounts can be given on each of those grounds. — Wayfarer
What I find interesting is that he sees the modern separation between the concepts of reason and good as being at the root of nihilism. The separation is not intended to be the result of nihilism but rather leads to it. The good does not mean some reified entity, but rather, as Plato and Aristotle stressed, what each of us desire. And so, reason and the pursuit of knowledge are not separate from desire, the desire to know, the desire for wisdom, that is, philosophy. — Fooloso4
I would hold cause as a kind of reasoning — tim wood
I find presiding over all reason. The capacity to use tools to determine knowledge and winnow it from the chaff of unreason. — tim wood
I think reason (which just is argument) and ground (premises) are the two ingredients (the others are reducible to those). Although reason does come into the question of which premises are the more plausible, obviously. — Janus
But you're not appealing to the Greek concept of reason but instead to a modern sense of cause which you mistakenly "find" in Aristotle. As to modern usage of :because, do we say that two plus two is four "because"? And this takes us back into the problem of cause and effect when there is no cause and no effect.my appeal to the Greek concept of reason — Wayfarer
In any case the substance of the OP is that reason is the engine, and mere belief as any sort of grounds ruinous to its functioning. — tim wood
you're not appealing to the Greek concept of reason but instead to a modern sense of cause which you mistakenly "find" in Aristotle. — tim wood
The principle of sufficient reason states that everything must have a reason or a cause. The modern formulation of the principle is usually attributed to early Enlightenment philosopher Gottfried Leibniz, although the idea was conceived of and utilized by various philosophers who preceded him, including Anaximander, Parmenides, Archimedes, Plato and Aristotle, Cicero, Avicenna, Thomas Aquinas, and Spinoza.
In any case the substance of the OP is that reason is the engine, and mere belief as any sort of grounds ruinous to its functioning. — tim wood
...beer is barley... — tim wood
to seperate reason from belief, chiefly so as to uphold the purported division between 'reason and faith'. — Wayfarer
Valid is as to form, which cares not for content and is perfectly indifferent to it. But no syllogism no matter how valid can prove the moon is made of green cheese. Thus grounds for premises. Point? — tim wood
Does geometry and arithmetic and logic lead to nihilism? — tim wood
Reason then a ground for the good. — tim wood
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