Yeah, maybe; but at which "birth"...People at birth are inherently good.
Chloé Zhao — Proximate1
Isn't the concept of 'good' a judgement inherent to the observer? — Proximate1
I would contend that at birth there are no moral inclinations. What ever our moral values become are a result of environment and personal development- of which a newborn has little. — Proximate1
That may be so. However, it doesn't mean that "at birth there are no moral inclinations". A new-born lion cub may look cute and cuddly and inclined to do only good, but deep inside it may already dream of the day it is big and strong enough to have you for breakfast. The inclinations may be already present at birth in latent form. — Apollodorus
There are studies that show that human children start making what we would call "moral" distinctions at a very early age - two or three months. — T Clark
There may be hard wired inclinations for sure- but the eating me part is my interpretation of 'good', the lion is just being a lion. — Proximate1
People at birth are inherently good. — Proximate1
Right or wrong? — Proximate1
I don't care if it's in the lion's nature to eat people. That's why some animals are generally regarded as pests i.e. "bad" for you. — Apollodorus
Tapeworms and polio bacili are seldom referred to a cuddly little creatures. — god must be atheist
When I look upon a blob of clay, I see good; not because I see potential for it to be molded into something good (for it could just as well be molded into something bad) but because a blob of clay is good in and of itself, regardless of what we do to it, or what it might become later. Man is not the measure of all things. — James Riley
polio bacili — god must be atheist
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People at birth are inherently good.
Chloé Zhao
This is a current meme by the director of the film Nomadland. — Proximate1
When I look upon a blob of clay, I see good; not because I see potential for it to be molded into something good (for it could just as well be molded into something bad) but because a blob of clay is good in and of itself, regardless of what we do to it, or what it might become later. Man is not the measure of all things. — James Riley
Polio is caused by a virus, not a bacilli. — Bitter Crank
We are so constituted that there probably IS a moral inclination at birth -- not a preference for moral vs. immoral, but rather a brain structure (and species habit) that will lead to people having fear, guilt, and comfort connected to their behavior. How does this work? — Bitter Crank
When I look upon a blob of clay, I see good; not because I see potential for it to be molded into something good (for it could just as well be molded into something bad) but because a blob of clay is good in and of itself, regardless of what we do to it, or what it might become later. Man is not the measure of all things.
— James Riley
By saying "good" of something, James Riley inadvertently made man the measure of all things.
How one can shoot himself on the foot in one easy step. — god must be atheist
How can anyone's reasoning be so faulty? — James Riley
You mean, "how can someone not agree with me?" — god must be atheist
By dividing ALL things into being good and not good, you give all things a measure of goodness or badness. — god must be atheist
And good and bad are qualities that are humano-centric; without humans (or equivalents) the terms "good" and "bad" would be meaningless. — god must be atheist
It's true that language itself also would not exist; but you use the language to translate your judgment of things (good or bad) into human-understood information. — god must be atheist
Language is a transfer element; the "good" and "bad" are primary judgments, the measure of man, and only of man. — god must be atheist
I did not divide ALL things into being good and not good. — James Riley
I did not make man the measure of all things when I said I found a blob of clay to be good. I am not the measure of all things, nor do I speak for All. — James Riley
By attributing a quality to a blob of wet clay, honestly I thought it was symbolic of all dead matter. — god must be atheist
But you say, that the buck stops at blobs of clay. — god must be atheist
Beyond that, it makes sense to me that our understanding of the world, reality itself, is a function of our particular human nervous system and perceptual organs. — T Clark
Well, on one hand you said it is not all things that are dead matter that you judge, and on the other hand, you agree it is all things that are dead matter you judge.You were correct, it is, but my saying so says nothing more than my subjective opinion is human. It does not make man the measure of it simply because a man acts like a man. It is my philosophy that All perceives itself through All it's parts. That would make clay, wood, whatever All would have it be. Not us. Not man.
But you say, that the buck stops at blobs of clay.
— god must be atheist
There you go again, telling me what I say. LOL! — James Riley
Beyond that, it makes sense to me that our understanding of the world, reality itself, is a function of our particular human nervous system and perceptual organs. I'm not ready to defend that position at this point. — T Clark
Well, on one hand you said it is not all things that are dead matter that you judge, and on the other hand, you agree it is all things that are dead matter you judge. — god must be atheist
it is easy to refute my point — god must be atheist
that I am wrong in doing so, by drawing my attention to the opposing side of your contradictive claims. — god must be atheist
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