Humans think like humans for human reasons - the world and us is to some extent 'created' by our corporeal strengths and limitations. — Tom Storm
I don't quite understand how that makes us the measure of all things — James Riley
As Gore Vidal used to say - 'When I die I'm going take all of you with me." — Tom Storm
What I see in your entire post (correct me if I am wrong) is that humans are humans; that humans are stuck being human. I can agree with that. But that does not transmogrify us into the measure of all that we measure. — James Riley
Just my not-overly-erudite opinion, but I think quite a bit of "us" is factory pre-installed--don't take offense, Ma, at the factory metaphor. Every other animal seems to have built-in behavior patterns, and I don't see a way that we would NOT have built ins. — Bitter Crank
We didn't "transmogrify" into the measure of all things. We invented measurement. Measurement is human enterprise. Why else would we care about measurement except as it applies to ourselves? What would we ever measure except things that have an effect on our lives? — T Clark
By attributing a quality to a blob of wet clay, honestly I thought it was symbolic of all dead matter.
— god must be atheist
You were correct, it is, — James Riley
I did not divide ALL things into being good and not good. — James Riley
In referencing clay, I talked of nothing else (i.e. not all dead things). Then, in explaining how man is not the measure of all things, I referenced All as the measure of the rest, good or bad. — James Riley
By attributing a quality to a blob of wet clay, honestly I thought it was symbolic of all dead matter.
— god must be atheist
You were correct, it is, — James Riley
SYMBOLIC OF ALL MATTER. You agreed. — god must be atheist
But you contradicted this, by this: — god must be atheist
You keep calling me an idiot, — god must be atheist
calling me out on all kinds of drummed up reasons? — god must be atheist
nd yet Good is a way for Man to measure. A blob of clay is a blob of clay. Easy to mold or hard to mold, brittle, dark, light.
Good or bad comes from what Man wants, and so I feel you might have boxed yourself in. — New2K2
You don't think animals measure their environment? And is what we care about the only measure? — James Riley
And where does the "we" come from? By that, I mean why are you and I, both "man" aligned together in measure under the heading of "man", instead of being pitted against each other in our measurement as would, I guess, be man and animal? Wouldn't it be better to say "Each individual is the measure of all things?" — James Riley
I don't suppose we would measure anything that didn't have an effect on our lives, but I don't see how that makes us the measure of all things? Are you saying "measurer" or "measurers" or simply "measure" as used in my initial post? Regardless, we measure. But that doesn't mean we are the measure of all things. — James Riley
When we measure, we compare one thing, what is being measured, with another, a measure. So, no, I don't think most animals do that. — T Clark
Measurement is a matter of social convention. We, humanity, decide on how to measure by what standards, — T Clark
The fact that we, humanity, do this does not render it our province to he exclusion of all else, much less All. — James Riley
Bleh, A creature is more than a memory. When a person dies they take nothing with them but themselves. Even if ou argue that their perception of the person is a person I'd say that that perception is merely an extension of the dead person.
No one takes anyone with them into death. — New2K2
I think we've pared this down to a question of language. — T Clark
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