If you have an open-mind and are not completely shut off from reason, then you have to say, at the very least that there is something to these NDEs. — Sam26
That's a very big "IF" there. You don't really expect these people to have an "open mind"? Obviously, they're basing their arguments on unexamined assumptions and unfounded hypotheses for the sake of being contradictory because they've got nothing better to do. — Apollodorus
I wouldn't necessarily agree that people are just arguing because they have nothing better to do, or because their communists. — Sam26
Well, there are some who seem to think that belief in reincarnation is "irrational nonsense — Apollodorus
so the corroborated testimonial evidence while my heart is stopped and I'm no longer breathing — Sam26
This just doesn't follow, i.e., because I can't explain how it is that people are able to have an OBE — Sam26
If you have an open-mind and are not completely shut off from reason, then you have to say, at the very least that there is something to these NDEs. — Sam26
The did not give me enough of the "forget me" drug.One of the drugs given with anesthesia makes you forget what you may be aware of during surgery. There may be, to varying degrees, depending on the individual, some awareness of the surgical procedure. This is well documented in the medical literature and is the reason drugs are administered to make you forget. — Fooloso4
Pure logic is actually not a rational approach to an ontological issue. Is it? — frank
Logic can serve as a basis or start for philosophical inquiry even into ontological issues. But if others introduce arguments like "woo" and "shit" or whatever, then there can be no inquiry of any kind and no discussion. — Apollodorus
To say that the soul is something other than the body does not tell us what it is, it just gives it a name. — Fooloso4
what is it that is reincarnated? — Banno
The answer is, your consciousness, viz., whatever it is that makes you, you, for example, your memories and your experiences. Do we know how that's possible? No. Do we know the mechanism? No. Do we understand any of the physics of such a process? It's doubtful. — Sam26
*sad*Probably nothing, considering that you've made up your mind that souls don't exist. — baker
Indeed. This is why doctrines about the soul tend to contain the desription of the mechanism by which the soul gets reincarnated. The "downside" is that one actually has to find and read those texts ...The problem is using a term that has various meanings does not tell us what it is that endures beyond life. Neither Aristotle's psyche or the Hebrew ruach does. Calling it "soul" means no more than calling it "something". "Something" is not an account of that something. — Fooloso4
This is true for some people.I'm going to quote myself:
Interesting, isn't it, that folk suppose that because "I am convinced", it follows that "Hence, you ought be convinced". Going both ways. "I am not convinced, hence, you ought not be convinced".
— Banno
There's apparently an imperative in being convinced of something. One expects others to be similar convinced. — Banno
I would have none of the things you mention if I was a disembodied entity somehow tethered to a body
— Fooloso4
How do you know that? — frank
I would have no manual skills without a body. Those skill involve muscle memory. Fear has a bodily component, flooding the body with adrenaline, fight or flight. Some of my relationships are to varying degrees physical. I would not have my biological children. Failure of children to thrive often has something to do with the lack of physical contact. — Fooloso4
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