They already believe in God and they agree with the two commandments. That's good enough to me. — Apollodorus
You don't expect him/her to know that, do you? — Apollodorus
They are neologisms. — god must be atheist
A neologism has to have a meaning. — Hanover
I think a better description of these words is gibberish. — Hanover
Nowhere does Jesus teach that he was God's only son. This was a belief that developed later.
— Fooloso4
Really? How late is this then? — Apollodorus
They called him "Rabbi" AND "Son of God". — Apollodorus
The Koran calls him a Prophet. — Apollodorus
I'm sure even you can see that "Son of God" and "Prophet" is not the same as "rabbi" in the ordinary sense. — Apollodorus
This is based on a misunderstanding of the term 'son of God' or 'sons of God'. No, I am not making it up. It is used several times in the Hebrew Bible. This time you can look it up yourself. It did not mean what it came to mean for most Christians. — Fooloso4
Sorry, but the misunderstanding is entirely yours. You're wrong again as on all your other points. — Apollodorus
You obviously don't understand the Bible and you can find no evidence to support your unfounded and erroneous claims. — Apollodorus
And no, Jesus was not teaching the "Jewish Law", he was teaching the LAW OF GOD. — Apollodorus
That was the whole point of his mission on earth, to reestablish the Law of God which the Jews or at least some of them had departed from ... — Apollodorus
And, of course, the verses from the Hebrew Bible you're referring to, just don't exist. That's why you can't quote them. — Apollodorus
There are online versions of the Bible that allow you to search. Do a search in the Old Testament for the terms 'son of God' and 'sons of God'. — Fooloso4
Well, if you really imagine that I didn't know you might come up with that, you are quite wrong. — Apollodorus
And, of course, the verses from the Hebrew Bible you're referring to, just don't exist. That's why you can't quote them. — Apollodorus
To begin with, it is generally acknowledged that the OT texts are corrupted so, they aren’t a hundred percent reliable. — Apollodorus
However, what is actually meant here is not that they were begotten in the sense of brought into being but in the sense of appointed, i.e. invested with the rank of King: they were each appointed King of Israel. — Apollodorus
We are told very clearly that he was brought into the world by the Holy Spirit, i.e. by God’s own Spiritual Power: — Apollodorus
So these are two totally different stories. David and Solomon were appointed by God, Jesus was created — Apollodorus
As for Jesus teaching the “Jewish law” it is obvious that this couldn’t have been the case. How can the Son of God or Prophet or even “Jewish rabbi” (as you choose to call him) teach the Jewish law to the Jews if the Jews ignored him? — Apollodorus
It is typical Christian chauvinism to take the teachings of a Jewish rabbi and make them into something they are not. But that is, after all, what the term Christian is all about. — Fooloso4
They took the Jewish terms 'Messiah' and 'son of God' and made them into something else. Something that was foreign to Jesus and Paul. To point to how the terms are used differently only supports what I have said. — Fooloso4
You're only imagining that. You need to familiarize yourself with Christianity before you make unexamined assumptions like that. In Christianity Jesus is the Son of God. — Apollodorus
Plus, the Jews could have taken those concepts from others. — Apollodorus
People use words, beliefs and concepts that already exist. Why would they start inventing something new? — Apollodorus
And yet that is exactly what they did. They took Jewish concepts and over time the meaning was altered. — Fooloso4
So what? That isn't a crime. — Apollodorus
But concepts like "Son of God" and "Divine King" were quite common, they weren't the exclusive property of the Jews as you're claiming. — Apollodorus
Plus, it isn't about history, it's about religion and faith. — Apollodorus
This means that "loving God" and "loving your neighbor" does not mean what is commonly understood by the term "love". — Apollodorus
But the point I was making was that there are two important distinctions to be drawn, (1) between what is commonly understood by “love” and (2) between “love of God” and “love of our neighbor”. — Apollodorus
What you're implying is that Christians aren't allowed to have their own religion and should be punished for borrowing from the Jews. — Apollodorus
Christians also borrowed quite a bit from the Greeks, Romans and others. — Apollodorus
Should they be punished for that as well? Would you like to start burning Christian bibles and churches??? — Apollodorus
Such ridiculous accusations do not help your argument or whatever credibility you might still have on this forum. — Fooloso4
if you’re talking about history and sources, let’s see what history and the sources actually say, not how anti-Christians interpret them. — Apollodorus
What kind of king did the neighbouring nations have? — Apollodorus
A king that was the representative of God on earth and the “Son of God”. — Apollodorus
It’s a well-known fact that the institution of kingship in which the king was the son and representative of God, was part and parcel of the culture in the region, especially Egyptian culture which was dominant at the time and to which the Hebrews had particularly close links. — Apollodorus
Pre-biblical Egyptian inscriptions show that when a king or pharaoh ascended to the throne he was said to be appointed by the God Re, his father. So, he was “Son of God” and “Divine King”. — Apollodorus
So, who took what from whom? — Apollodorus
We know that Jesus himself visited Egypt — Apollodorus
Did Jesus believe he was the Son of God? Well, you weren’t there at the time so you can’t tell for certain, can you? — Apollodorus
What is certain, however, is that Alexander the Great was called “the Son of God” — Apollodorus
I think it is baseless to claim that Christianity "robbed” the Jews of their "Divine King/Messiah” and "Son of God” concepts in view of the fact that this was part of the common cultural and religious heritage in the region. — Apollodorus
And what matters at the end of the day is that Christians felt to have good reason to believe that Jesus was the Son of God and they have every right to do so. — Apollodorus
I don’t think it is for neo-Marxists to tell Christians what to do. — Apollodorus
Obviously you have not looked at any of the sources I pointed to. Most are by Christian scholars. — Fooloso4
The Marxist use (or misuse) of history — Apollodorus
Just look at the preposterous statements you’re making:
Jesus was addressed as “rabbi”, therefore he couldn’t have been the Son of God. — Apollodorus
The fact is that the Gospels show very clearly that Jesus was addressed as “the Son of God” — Apollodorus
You see the word “rabbi” bot not “Son of God”. — Apollodorus
Since you haven’t spoken to Jesus, you can’t claim to know who he thought he was. — Apollodorus
And, of course, Christians have the right to believe in Jesus in whichever way they wish. You deny this ... — Apollodorus
I am not going to respond to any more of your false accusations. — Fooloso4
I am not going to respond to any more of your false accusations.
— Fooloso4
So, you’re finally conceding defeat. — Apollodorus
Resorting to false accusations, accusing me of saying things I did not is dishonest and cowardly. — Fooloso4
And note how many of his arguments come down to calling whoever disagrees with him a Marxist. — Fooloso4
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