The old child proverb “sticks and stones” still holds true, in my mind. — NOS4A2
I see the attempts at insult and belittling as little more than group think and ideological back-patting, the basest form of propaganda. — NOS4A2
If you weigh up the profound suffering caused by positions held by people like NOS and then find that your concern inclines to some anonymous moron on the internet, then you need to revaluate your priorities. — StreetlightX
Surely Pacifism is why racism persists in America to this very day. — thewonder
whether slavery could have been outlawed following the end of the American Revolution, — thewonder
what seems extraordinarily unlikely, to me, is that there were concrete plans for reparations being made — thewonder
You have made a highly speculative historical argument concerning the peace process at the end of the Civil War in order to slander an ethos that didn't really begin to take hold until the First World War and didn't become popularized until the Vietnam War. — thewonder
It's out of keeping with any historical reality. — thewonder
If we are to look at history in chronological order, your synopsis of events contains some evident anachronisms. — thewonder
The only thing that most Pacifists are in danger of is being ineffective. — thewonder
I was providing another historically speculative example that could not be cited as evidence of that Pacifist sentiment is somehow colonial or white supremacist.I never mentioned the American Revolution. — James Riley
You say too much. Regardless, there was talk about giving plantations to slaves, but it ended up with 40 stupid acres and a mule. Why? — James Riley
I also take issue with your use of the term "pacifism". Are you saying the abolitionists, John Brown, Abraham Lincoln, Grant, Sherman, et al were pacifists? You should get that term out of any discussion of the actual history of the civil war (it was a war), which you are pretending to hold me to in my patently hypothetical lesson to those who would tire, invoke white privilege, or otherwise not destroy the enemy's will to fight. — James Riley
That's why I stipped to your use of the term; ill-chosen as it was. All your history lesson on pacifism is irrelevant to a discussion on whether a life-line should be thrown to one who is in bed with, and has failed to reject alt.right nationalist racist people who have absconded with whatever credibility might have existed in conservative economic or social positions. — James Riley
As it concerns NOS4A2, what I am saying is that it is just nihilistic to continue to have a go at him. We learn nothing from it and it is just distracting. Had he done something like threaten Black Lives Matter protesters with an AR-15, I wouldn't defend him. What I am saying is that people have had kind of an extensive go at him here when all he has done is derail this thread. The threads on the presidency go on forever and often get derailed, anyways. — thewonder
I say that we wait for someone to post something that is actually relevant to this thread now and just carry on like nothing happened. — thewonder
I have merely been attempting to play off an instance of internet bullying. — thewonder
Someone ought to raise the point that if Trump's GOP refuses to recognise the result of the 2020 election then they must forfeit the right to participate in the electoral cycle. Democracy is a system of rules, and not recognising the rules ought to warrant exclusion from the system.
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