So, presumably you believe war against Israel by the Palestinians is justified? Again, in their position, living under a foreign occupation, how would you react? — Baden
Again, cute thought experiment, but there's nothing 'necessary' about Isreali apartheid and settler colonialism. — StreetlightX
and Saudi Arabia still gets all the hardware they want, which recently has been a shit ton — Count Timothy von Icarus
This is a different issue and I don't have time right now to engage further. All I was seeking to establish was that intention matters in military actions and that civilian casualties are generally unavoidable during military action, but that this should not be confused with the deliberate murder of civilians. — BitconnectCarlos
No, all I said was in some instances war is justified and in during warfare or military action intention does matter. That's all I was seeking to establish. — BitconnectCarlos
If you abstract these actions from the context in which they occur you render yourself cognitively incapacitated. And in that context, these actions are the deliberate murder of civilians. The universe doesn't operate on free-floating principles, unembedded in reality. — StreetlightX
Do you have a better idea, then? — BitconnectCarlos
Answer the question. Is taking arms against an occupying army justifiable? Would you consider doing that if you were a Palestinian? — Baden
Otherwise I just don't know what your attitude towards military action is. — BitconnectCarlos
I don't have 'an' attitude toward miltary action because I'm not so naive to think one can reason one's way to action from first principles. — StreetlightX
Targeting the Israeli army would be a genuine step above what they're doing now — BitconnectCarlos
The best step would be for them to re-enter negotiations. — BitconnectCarlos
I'm uncertain whether the government supports them and their expansion for religious reasons or does so because they think it beneficial for other (secular) reasons. — Ciceronianus the White
But somehow I feel it doesn't matter to those whose homes are being demolished to make way for said religious nuts. — StreetlightX
Inshallah – this medievalism has to stop!I think we should all be concerned whenever government acts, intentionally or disingenuously, because Deus Vult! — Ciceronianus the White
What matters is what counts as such deliberate murder. That's why it's difficult for us to converse.
The difference is that I will not search high and low to come up with excuses for the among the world's most sophisticated military for it's war crimes and deliberate murder of children, while it does everything it can to exacerbate resentment among its subject population. — StreetlightX
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