do you want to start charity dick measuring? Or maybe, how much people can we influence? What's the point of your comment except for being a twat? I mean in the grand scheme of things blowing up a couple of Palestinians has no bearing on anything either so let's not talk about it, ok? — Benkei
All true. But this does not somehow make any consideration of tactics and the relation between ends and means superfluous. The results of an escalation are obvious - people will die, most of them Palestinians. And then it will provide further cover and justification for continuing and deepening the oppression.
And again I'm not imagining I'm somehow talking to Palestinians here. I just don't understand how anyone can see anything positive in stuff like rocket attacks on Israeli cities — Echarmion
Except this arbitration is still being directed towards those who are oppressed, not the oppressors, therefore falling for the liberal demand that the latter not only solve their own emancipation but that they are issued limitations for the "correct" way to do so. — Maw
No, I'm just accusing you of committing fallacies. That last one is just another one. If all you can do is offer red herrings or poison the well, just get lost OK? — Benkei
There's no Jewish Homeland defined except in the Torah which, as a religious text, has no legal standing. There's an area designated for Jews to settle, which area was called Palestine, with the understanding original inhabitants wouldn't be displaced. We all know what happened and who have been driven from their homes. I think it was Begin who said : there's not a Jewish village that isn't build on the rubble of a Palestinian. — Benkei
Before the oppressor (and his patrons/apologists) can legitimately criticize and condemn the oppressed for his means and methods of resistance, he/they must completely dismantle the entire state-apparatus of oppression now. Until then, the logic of oppression entails that there must not be any "innocents" in the oppressor's camp, especially in so far as the oppressor tactically discounts them – his own noncombatant civilians – as potentially "acceptable losses" as the necessary cost of maintaining his strategem of oppression — 180 Proof
In order to survive, the oppressed must resist – always have and always will – by any means necessary. — 180 Proof
So if any oppressor-state is serious about stoping "terrorism", that oppressor-state should begin by giving up its own policies of state-terrorism and military-economic support for client/proxy-terrorism. — 180 Proof
Before the oppressor (and his patrons/apologists) can legitimately criticize and condemn the oppressed for his means and methods of resistance, he/they must completely dismantle the entire state-apparatus of oppression now. — 180 Proof
The oppressor and the oppressed make this determination. Sharon and Arafat, for instance, agreed on the term and need for Israel' to end the "occupation".
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2003-may-27-fg-mideast27-story.html — 180 Proof
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