There is a lesson in that period in that the violence was in some sense less about Israeli actions, which were moving towards peace and statehood, than about intra-Palestinian struggles over peace and spoiling attempts. — Count Timothy von Icarus
but I am willing to suggest that the military alliance between Israel and the United States has had a detrimental impact upon Israeli society, despite whatever either real or perceived security measures are considered as necessary to protect it. — thewonder
Israel has become a flashpoint for the left not just because of its subjugation of palestinians
but because its form of nationalistic democracy exemplifies the Enlightenment era liberal political self-identity that the West is trying to distance itself from via brutal self-critique. — Joshs
very sad — thewonder
Where do sympathy and empathy come from? Are they simple ‘capacities’ or do they depend on our ability , rather than desire, to understand worldviews alien to our own? Are ‘oppressors’ and ‘evil-doers’ lacking in the intent to care, or so they misinterpret those they ‘oppress’?
Is it threatening for you to contemplate the possibility that there is nothing that distinguishes from you those you condemn for subjugation, prejudice or even atrocity in moral terms? That they believe passionately, as you do, that they are behaving according to the highest standards of morality? And that the root of our conflicts is precisely what you are doing here, questioning moral intent and will to sympathy of the other rather than focusing on differences in perspective and worldview? — Joshs
a) What sort of political realities or solutions would you like to see in Israel/Palestine?
b) How likely is your imagined solution? — coolazice
:fire: Start here.A question for everyone here:
a) What sort of political realities orsolutionswould you like to see in Israel/Palestine?
b) How likely is your imaginedsolution? — coolazice
In any violent, vicious conflict, whom do you side with, Joshs: the weaker or the stronger? "David" or "Goliath"? Hint: The answer is fucking partisan. :shade:What on earth is an ‘oppressor’ and what could ‘Legitimate’ possibly mean? The answer depends of course on whether you’re arelativistTWAT and how far you’re willing to take that. For me, the belief that such notions can be defined in anything but a hopelessly partisan way is at the heart of most conflicts. — Joshs
I don't know where you got your p0m0 apologetic bullshit from, brother, but I got my 'critical resistance' to oppression & colonization from these lucid, courageous comrades:↪180 Proof Where did you get this from? It sounds vaguely familiar. — Joshs
Regardless, it's hopeless to discuss further when a handful of interlocutors are, like a magnetized needle fixated towards the North, incapable of pointing anywhere else besides the agency of Palestinians, who have the least agency of all involved. — Maw
Is any discussion of anything but atrocities and murders commited by people associated with the Israeli state automatically aiding the oppressors? — Echarmion
If by 'discussion' you mean, "it is preferable that the Palestinians are genocided in silence" then yeah, that's aiding the opressers you fuck. — StreetlightX
These are the kinds of people who watched the Death Star blow up in Star Wars and then cried about all the innocents who were on board. — StreetlightX
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