I stand by my first post on this thread: reincarnation is only a metaphor, an existential reminder to live each day, not as if it's your last day, but to live so completely and mindfully as if it each day is an entire lifetime. Thus, Cicero's maxim: "To study philosophy is nothing but to prepare one’s self to die." And so we blind ourselves to the insight when we take reincarnation literally as most believers, I suspect, have done since the Upanishads or the Phaedo.I leave Sisyphus at the foot of the mountain. One always finds one's burden again. But Sisyphus teaches the higher fidelity that negates the gods and raises rocks. He too concludes that all is well. This universe henceforth without a master seems to him neither sterile nor futile. Each atom of that stone, each mineral flake of that night-filled mountain, in itself, forms a world. The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy. — The Myth of Sisyphus
"What get's reincarnated?"Human beings are not born once and for all on the day their mothers give birth to them, but that life obliges them over and over again to give birth to themselves. — Love in the Time of Cholera
"NowHere."One has to pay dearly for immortality; one has to die several times while one is still alive. — Ecce Homo
reincarnation is only a metaphor, an existential reminder to live each day, not as if it's your last day, but to live so completely and mindfully a whole lifetime in each day. Thus, Cicero's maxim: "To study philosophy is nothing but to prepare one’s self to die." — 180 Proof
It doesn't prove that. There is still a theoretical possibility that people can remember. And some apparently do remember. — Apollodorus
Another point I would like to add is that, immaterial objects such as souls cannot be used with concept such as existence. The word "exist" only applies to material objects. Using "exist" with immaterial mental properties is a categorical mistake. Mental properties don't exit. They process and emerge. — Corvus
I think you've copied that from Wikipedia or some other materialist source. The sense of self doesn't "process and emerge". Ii's always there. — Apollodorus
The sense of self doesn't "process and emerge". Ii's always there. — Apollodorus
When you die, it evaporates forever too. — Corvus
The OP is about how believers in reincarnation justify it in philosophical/rational terms as opposed to purely religious/faith-based arguments. — Apollodorus
The sense of self doesn't "process and emerge". Ii's always there. — Apollodorus
Problem of Self is a big topic of its own. It has many arguments and theories on the issues. — Corvus
Nobody disputes that. But that's not what the thread is about — Apollodorus
It's been discussed because others questioned the existence of soul or self. — Apollodorus
*sigh*Yep. Faith as belief despite any conceptual problems will do that. All you are doing is putting your hands over your ears and humming loudly. — Banno
What the fuck do I need to do to get your head out of your ass and stop talking to me and about me as if I were religious? — baker
Something is only understandable to someone, to a person, not somehow per se.The point is, if you can't explain X in translatable terms Y then you do not sufficiently understand X yourself. — 180 Proof
Ie. you were explaining it to someone who has a preexisting knowledge and an interest (or at least an obligation) in the topic. Not to a total outsider.Btw, I have somewhat recently explained advance math (axiomatic set theory) to my math-phobic english major nephew (why he took elementary logic as an elective is still a mystery to us both) — 180 Proof
Of course, we don't know if she understood what you were saying nor is it clear what she could do with what she learned from you there.and decades before engineering to a nonengineer (when I was a mechanical engineering undergrad and my mother the trauma nurse wanted me to explain what she had been (partially) paying for and why after such expense I was changing my major).
What of them? Sure, people have attempted to translate/transfer discourses from one into another.If this is not so, baker, then account for libraries of scholarly studies and texts on comparative religions, the philosophy of religion, scriptural hermeneutics & classical philology.
If only you'd apply this to yourself, sir.Your cognitive defects, sir, are not to be confused with cognitive limitation as such.
My question still stands.However, supposing we accept reincarnation either as fact or as theoretical possibility, how would we convincingly justify it in philosophical terms?
— Apollodorus
First answer why it would be necessary to "convincingly justify it in philosophical terms". — baker
That looks like a description of faith.One is supposed to "take it or leave it". One either understands it, or one doesn't. One either agrees with it, or one doesn't. That's it. The only action one is intended to take in regard to a religious claim is to try to make oneself see the truth of it. — baker
You've posited this notion of reincarnation while being unable to explain what it is that is reincarnated. That strikes me as pretty fundamental. — Banno
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