I am sure that science will win on this thread, but it doesn't mean it has won completely in the world. I am not against science, but I see it as mixture of potential for benefit or harm, with a lot of unanswered questions about the future. — Jack Cummins
I don't speak teenage girl. Could you explain what's amusing you?
Is it that Jack hasn't heard of the Amish?
Because that's no cause for mockery, is it?
You should not seek to make it embarrassing to learn things! — counterpunch
It's not whether you win or lose. It's how you play the game. — frank
Would really like to believe that but...did you ever win a prize, a medal, a certificate, or the like for "...how you play the game..."? — TheMadFool
Why would we assume a limit for human experience? — frank
Do you know much about the IIT theory of consciousness? — frank
No, he is not, — Mww
we don’t care about what we see, as much we wish to be certain about our knowledge of what we see. It makes no difference to us what’s out there, we care only about how it relates to us. — Mww
Spoken like a true subjectivist! — counterpunch
Well, we are human beings. Not Gods. What other realistic scenario exists? — Manuel
Let's hope that the scientists address the problems before it is too late. But, I don't think that we should sing any hymns of praise for them until there is a certain amount of evidence that the ideas are being put into practice with substantive effects. — Jack Cummins
I say that the problem with science is when its methodological attitude is generalised to describe the universe in general. — Wayfarer
There is a lot of knowledge that is completely useless, depending on one's time and circumstance.Knowing stuff is good. — Banno
You look like a true believer, so that nothing could convince you otherwise.You caught a boot.
— Wayfarer
Quiet a few, as was expected. — Banno
denies that we can possess cognition of things as they are in themselves, i.e. things as they are independently of how we experience them through our cognitive faculties."
Yes, he is! — counterpunch
philosophical danger — Jack Cummins
what I believe to be true based on things I've read and thought about myself — Manuel
Metaphysical reductionism asks, nonetheless.....if a thing is true why merely believe it, and, if a mere belief, on what ground can it be true, this first brought to light, of course, by the Socratic dialogues and dialectical arguments in general. Usually partaken by those with nothing better to do. (Grin) — Mww
Having nothing better to do can be entertaining, at the very least. — Manuel
that path of reductionism just leads to ever smaller relations of units of stuff. — Manuel
It doesn't seem like a very coherent idea to doubt the given in such a manner that it is eventually denied. — Manuel
even Kant’s: seemings. — Mww
Smaller units of stuff implies empirical reductionism, right? For that reason, I stipulated metaphysical reductionism, which pertains to ever smaller units of conception. Prime example......A = A. The logical laws. In Aristotle and Kant, among others perhaps, there are also the categories. Gotta start somewhere and the irreducible offers the least possibility for contradiction. — Mww
He also rejects free will, so there’s two strikes. — Mww
What is the problem with seemings in Kant? — Manuel
I have already said that I am not against science and really I am not sure of the point the thread is even trying to make, because it is not as if it is being opposed by loads of evangelists who are trying to argue that evolution is false. — Jack Cummins
On this site, there seems to be a big divide between those who believe in God and those who are atheists. However, I don't think that this would simply be about those who believe in God being against science and atheists favouring science. — Jack Cummins
The relationship between science and religion is complex. Of course, some religious believers were opposed to science. Also, religious ideas have often contributed to political ideologies, but these probably incorporated science. We all use science everyday in most aspects of life, in ways we take for granted. — Jack Cummins
But science is such an umbrella term, and I don't really feel that we need to praise science because it does not require us to do so, like we were taught to revere and worship God. But, I appreciate medical science and a lot of comforts connected to technological progress. — Jack Cummins
Let's hope that the scientists address the problems before it is too late. But, I don't think that we should sing any hymns of praise for them until there is a certain amount of evidence that the ideas are being put into practice with substantive effects. — Jack Cummins
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