you're not even smart enough, — 180 Proof
It's not clear that this is the case; or that "making shit up is easier than study"; "or that "people want to be told what to think," and such are the case.Religions are social clubs and come with a set of 'off the rack' beliefs, so you don't need to work at independent thought. God 'belief' is the price you pay for admittance and because the idea is ineffable, you need not engage with it. — Tom Storm
People are cunning — baker
For one, I doubt that many who profess to believe in such an external powerful entity actually believe in it. I know many monotheists, but there isn't a single one for which I could confidently say that they actually believe in God. — baker
I have often thought this too, but for different reasons. Religions are social clubs and come with a set of 'off the rack' beliefs, so you don't need to work at independent thought. God 'belief' is the price you pay for admittance and because the idea is ineffable, you need not engage with it. — Tom Storm
“The fanatical atheists are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against traditional religion as the "opium of the masses"—cannot hear the music of the spheres.” ― Albert Einstein — 3017amen
Despite his genius I guess Albert didn’t know that sound can’t travel in a vacuum. And if it’s a choice between fanatics, I’ll take the reason/science based fanatic over the ‘I believe whatever sky father (ordinary guy wearing robes and funny hat) tells me’ fanatic. — praxis
I’m not an atheist. Please exercise better common sense observations. — praxis
I’ll take the reason/science based fanatic — praxis
he did not know consciousness itself transcends logic. — 3017amen
You contend that only a religion could inform him of that? — praxis
I’m not an atheist. Please exercise better common sense observations.
— praxis
I’ll take the reason/science based fanatic
— praxis
Because you said the forgoing, in that you would ' take reason/science based fanatic'; was it unreasonable to conclude you were an atheist? — 3017amen
he did not know consciousness itself transcends logic. — 3017amen
You contend that only a religion could inform him of that?
— praxis
The short answer to that short question is, I would contend that both science and religion are not mutually exclusive. — 3017amen
I’m not an atheist. Please exercise better common sense observations.
— praxis
I’ll take the reason/science based fanatic
— praxis
Because you said the forgoing, in that you would ' take reason/science based fanatic'; was it unreasonable to conclude you were an atheist? — 3017amen
I’m not going to even dignify that with an answer, and in any case it doesn’t matter. — praxis
he did not know consciousness itself transcends logic. — 3017amen
You contend that only a religion could inform him of that?
— praxis
The short answer to that short question is, I would contend that both science and religion are not mutually exclusive. — 3017amen
It feels like you’re being evasive. There’s no need for that, I’m totally harmless. Anyway, you mentioned consciousness transcending logic. Perhaps you could rephrase that because your meaning is unclear. Obviously consciousness doesn’t require logic, but I don’t think that’s what you’re trying to say.
Planetary bodies emitting sound that we can hear isn’t a good example of a shared truth between science and religion. — praxis
you would rather take the side of the fanatical atheist — 3017amen
you said consciousness doesn't require logic, what does that mean? — 3017amen
you would rather take the side of the fanatical atheist — 3017amen
Sure, what’s the worst they’ve done? I’m really asking because nothing terrible comes to mind. — praxis
Meaning there can be consciousness without logic. Critters, for example, are conscious and without logic. One might even argue that you’re conscious and without logic. — praxis
you would rather take the side of the fanatical atheist
— 3017amen
Sure, what’s the worst they’ve done? I’m really asking because nothing terrible comes to mind.
— praxis
Depends on the context. — 3017amen
Meaning there can be consciousness without logic. Critters, for example, are conscious and without logic. One might even argue that you’re conscious and without logic.
— praxis
Oh, I see. How does that happen, I wonder? — 3017amen
Daniel Dennett alone in a drawing room holding a candelabra. — praxis
Meaning there can be consciousness without logic. Critters, for example, are conscious and without logic. One might even argue that you’re conscious and without logic.
— praxis
Oh, I see. How does that happen, I wonder? — 3017amen
Animals don’t have the capability to reason or assess according to strict rules of validity. In your case, who knows. — praxis
This is laughable. Do you know any religious people? I spent some time in the southern USA a few years ago. — T Clark
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