There is no "problem" — 180 Proof
That’s not it, either. — Wayfarer
If you strip away the symbols, all you would see is entangled densities of energy with emergent function. — Pop
But, it did make me wonder how energy works in life — Jack Cummins
↪Pop Well, ok, against my better judgement, ...didn't you say something abut everything being energy? — Banno
However, it is likely that many people would like to see their own view as the definitive one — Jack Cummins
Are you suggesting that these are the absolute boundaries? — Jack Cummins
I think that often the choice of words such as energy, spirit and God are preferred ways to referring to the ultimate underlying reality. — Jack Cummins
Yes I think that is correct. As we have outlined earlier, it is not possible to reach that underlying reality absolutely, so we will only ever have interpretations of it. Some closer to the truth then others but none can ultimately be true! This is a long held belief in idealism, and is the best understanding in physics, as Kenosha Kid has pointed out.
We can say we can never reach reality, or we can say it doesn't exist - that we in fact create it in our path, by collapsing interactions to conceptions. Either expression will do, imo. — Pop
:up:There's no divine revelation. Science grants us no direct access to objective reality. We have to use our impressive brains to interpolate wisely from phenomena. — Kenosha Kid
Explain why being "limited" is a "problem". The alternatives to "rationality and knowledge" are, by the way, far more "limited" and, on your terms, even less worth consideration for use in seeking to understand reality. Besides, only "rationality and knowledge"-based inquiry – not mysticism, faith, intuition, magic, etc – can self-reflectively take its own limitation as a "problem" to contemplate (since it can't be solved as such) and endured. Philosophy, no?The problem is that even rationality and knowledge are limited. — Jack Cummins
It does seem that since the enlightenment reason has been predominant. I think that it is a good thing because it is probably the strongest function, because it is able to bring critical thinking to emotion, intuition and sensation, but they should not be forgotten or ignored. — Jack Cummins
However, just one other point is that you raise the question of superstition and I think that is interesting, and perhaps it is the shadow of reason,and even the reason why people turn to sources such as clairvoyance and ideas of 'new age' philosophies. — Jack Cummins
I agree that we have to use our 'impressive brains' and not expect divine revelation'. The problem is that even rationality and knowledge are limited. We come back to the question interrelated to what is reality, which is, how do we know? — Jack Cummins
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