I forgot the muslim + Jesus --- look here are loads of these: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=muslim+convert+to+christian — Iris0
What do you mean - define - spirituality... what is that! — Iris0
You can absolutely accept that our existence is basically meaningless, absolutely pointless, but still invent a why your existence is meaningful to you rooted in what already exists, in of itself. — Christoffer
Tell me if you know the answer... — Iris0
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Give me what science at the core has that I have not studied and found circular - and I will give you right. — Iris0
You mention Darwin and how he lost his faith in God. This is a good example of someone losing faith in a demigod (whom he previously mistook for God). — baker
See you in the gutter, we'll see if then you can still be so smugly satisfied with pointlessness. — baker
No, I'm saying I want to see if the other poster can still be so calm and confident even when he is in the gutter.
People sometimes brag that they can handle the meaniglessness of life and that they don't need crutches like religion. Sure, as long as their health and wealth are still relatively intact, that long it's fun to be a nihilist. But what happens to those people when, for one reason or another, they lose that health and wealth? — baker
But - if everything is (because we can imagine it to so) without goal and without any sort of meaning, and all is just due to a stochastic variable - why did we not stay apes? They do actually walk on two legs but do still not have (nor do ravens - the smartest bird (animal) alive) the capacity of abstract thought and written language what will enable them to give their knowledge to their offsprings - and they cope and live in reality - MUCH BETTER than we humans do. — Iris0
Because after a few thousand years of looking, no evidence found. If I insist there is a hippopotamus in your closet, does that make it so? Is the credibility of that claim only a function of my apparent sincerity or insistence? Sometimes a lack of evidence is evidence.Why can there be no credibility for this? — Iris0
Because self-reflection and the way human psychology works make us prone to depression in entirely more complex ways than them. That things are without a goal isn't something we imagine, it's what is the most logical observation of our existence, it's a hypothesis that is the most likely because there's no evidence for there being any further meaning. Any kind of applied meaningfulness that isn't an invented meaning by us (like, the pleasure of eating ice cream during a warm day) and rather a meaning that we invent as being cosmic and outside of ourselves, is the imagination, the delusion — Christoffer
It is precisely the view advocated by Dawkins & Dennett to liberate mankind from the delusion of spirituality. — Wayfarer
Does still not make us understand why we have this sort of self-reflection --- what is if for? Giving us depressions? Seems very un-useful to me.
Why have we developed this faculty and this feature? — Iris0
then atheism is all about repeating what some guru said and no ability to think or find reasons on who or what one in reality is refuting? — Iris0
The effects of the beliefs human have had have in fact formed the societies they have been active in.
Why?
Well what you think is how you will act and what you do is what later will become the result of what you where taught to believe and hold true.
Right? — Iris0
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