Is it already too late? — Xtrix
Just saw this, apropos: — Xtrix
even those climate "skeptics" are saying we should probably do something -- just in case all the world's climatologists are correct. — Xtrix
Is it already too late? — Xtrix
Is there ANYONE out there who still doesn't consider this the issue of our times? — Xtrix
If so, will we reach tipping points no matter what policies we enact? — Xtrix
Will we actually turn ourselves into Venus? — Xtrix
If it's not too late, what exactly can we do to contribute to mitigating it? — Xtrix
Is there ANYONE out there who still doesn't consider this the issue of our times? — Xtrix
Is there ANYONE out there who still doesn't consider this the issue of our times? — Xtrix
No, the sun will not kill all life on this planet for some 5 billion years or so. The future after that is bleak for life on our planet.Is it already too late? — Xtrix
First you should define just what is the tipping point you refer to. Or what you have in mind with climate change.If so, will we reach tipping points no matter what policies we enact? — Xtrix
No. If people take your question literally and not as a figure of speech. (Do you know the environment in Venus?)Will we actually turn ourselves into Venus? — Xtrix
If it's not too late, what exactly can we do to contribute to mitigating it? — Xtrix
The best way is probably to organise and join in mass protests. No individual consumer level decisions are likely to be very effective. Or rather the effective decisions are very impractical and so unlikely to be adopted by enough people to make a difference. — Echarmion
What would be the object of these protests if the changes required are considered too impractical to be adopted? Presumably, living in a democracy, such changes are going to be ephemeral at best, window-dressing at worst if the population hasn't the stomach to adopt them. — Isaac
I get the theory, but doesn't it leave a rather unconvincing model of a governing system that somehow has no way of determining what services are required other than by waiting for the information to be painted onto a placard? — Isaac
If people are willing to travel long distances without their cars, as in the example you give, but can't simply decide as an individual to do so, are you suggesting that information wouldn't come to light without a protest? — Isaac
We don't have a governing system whose goal is to determine what services are required though. — Echarmion
I'm suggesting that the only way to get the powers that be to move is to properly scare them. — Echarmion
Why would they need to be scared into providing a really popular and sought after solution? — Isaac
Is it already too late?
— Xtrix
I suspect it might be if one thinks of significantly slowing the process. I don't see the nations of Earth coming together in a meaningful way, but I could be wrong. — jgill
I'm usually an optimist but my gut feel is that democracies will reject any government that makes meaningful commitments. — Kenosha Kid
This however pivots on how much most of us care about future generations. At the very least the kids we're related to. — javra
Is there ANYONE out there who still doesn't consider this the issue of our times?
— Xtrix
Yes. Most of the people I’m surrounded by, for starters. Then there is a fair sum of the same in government. Also in the media … — javra
If so, will we reach tipping points no matter what policies we enact?
— Xtrix
Kinda hard to say since no-one knows what the tipping points are exactly, but I think it's unlikely enough will be done to avoid very serious climate changes. — Echarmion
The best way is probably to organise and join in mass protests. No individual consumer level decisions are likely to be very effective. Or rather the effective decisions are very impractical and so unlikely to be adopted by enough people to make a difference. — Echarmion
Climate change is not a disease, it's a symptom. I know quite a few doctors and they all say, while relieving the symptom has its merits, treating the disease is the primary goal!
What, in your opinion, is the disease? — TheMadFool
If so, will we reach tipping points no matter what policies we enact?
— Xtrix
First you should define just what is the tipping point you refer to. Or what you have in mind with climate change. — ssu
The news really likes to amp up "tipping points" and "earth will be venus" crap but these scenarios are usually cherry picked or blown way out of proportion. Hell, the IPCC doesn't even think "collapse of civilization" is on the trajectory despite what the Guardian articles make you think — Albero
In fact, their debunk here on the "Venus Earth" scenario really soothed a lot of my fears
https://debunkingdoomsday.quora.com/Not-as-scary-as-it-seems-Planet-at-risk-of-heading-towards-Hothouse-Earth-state — Albero
I say we burn more fossil fuels — Kasperanza
Let the earth change; it's ridiculous to assume that we can stop it. — Kasperanza
What I do not see mentioned above is the interests of the young as expressed by them. I'm too old to worry much. But the children of the world are looking down a real gun barrel that's pointed at them. When enough of them understand that and grasp that as a fact, then they will start to change things, and pretty quickly. Nor do I see them indulging in great patience - why should they? I give it one generation. — tim wood
Don't you realize that you're guilty of what you just criticized me of?
You're ignoring someone who disagrees with you and only choosing to talk to people that fundamentally agree with you. — Kasperanza
Well there's really no alternative I can see -- so you're either wrong or we're dead — Xtrix
That people like you and I and others aren't pushing hard enough for it. — Xtrix
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