121 degrees F, 49.6 C, in Canada, more associated with moose and permafrost. More than 500 deaths associated with heat, and the village of Lytton BC totally destroyed by fire.
'Climate emergency' is not political rhetoric, it describes exactly what is happening. — Wayfarer
But the question for philosophy is not, is it happening or is it going to be bad, but how do we need to reimagine ourselves and our societies to include our dependencies on environment? — unenlightened
There's also geoengineering, which I fear will be the political right's "easy" response to the crisis once they can no longer ignore the asteroid that they've been downplaying for decades, but I don't think we're at that phase yet for them. — Mr Bee
I'm all for clean, green, and hip energy if it can be sustained under capitalism and not through government intervention. — Kasperanza
The irony that the main concern is to find 'alternative' sources of energy to solve a problem of excess energy is amusing and pathetic. The conversation is more than 50 years old already, and it might be worth folk's while to catch up a litt — unenlightened
I agree. Most of the human race should revert to a Stone Age level. — frank
Hence the appeal of the Disney-themed toothpaste dispenser - high membership reward, little expense in joining. The expense in joining bit is insurmountable - what we want to achieve with something like climate change is going to require sacrifice - whether that's in terms of reduced consumption or in spending to fund community solutions. So social pressure to become a member needs to be higher. What we see in protest movements around climate change is the exact opposite. Basically, unless you're a government minister or the CEO of BP, you're not the target and so membership is optional. Middle class householders only need to take one glance at the giant leap they'd need to take feel members of the circus troop protesting outside their window, realise that non-membership will have no impact on their lives at all, to sit comfortably and watch the show. — Isaac
You do know that a/cs create heat, yes? And more heat than cold, yes? I agree with @Xtrix; you appear to be a know-nothing.fuels? Oh, things are too hot? Blast the air conditioning. Things are too cold? — Kasperanza
It's actually HG Wells dumbshit. — frank
Furthermore, expressing it as "back to the stone age" is hyperbolic scaremongering — unenlightened
No, we don't have to give up modern medicine and dentistry, modern communications, modern housing, clean water and sewage treatment, a varied diet, and so on. — unenlightened
Unfortunately I agree with you, although I’m still hopeful that the carbon removal technology can ramp up quickly. Bill Gates is on the job, after all. — Xtrix
So is there something in the research that tells us how we increase pressure to become a member? — Echarmion
The upshot is that in the modern age, polarising available narratives might be just too easy and so not really apply the pressure they used to. It's just too easy to find a group to join these days so little pressure to join one slightly outside of your comfort zone. so we need more real-life social groups rather than virtual ones as they are less flexible, and so more able to pull in the direction of social change. Can't see it happening though... — Isaac
We're either going to make it happen or we're dead. — Xtrix
The upshot is that in the modern age, polarising available narratives might be just too easy and so not really apply the pressure they used to. It's just too easy to find a group to join these days so little pressure to join one slightly outside of your comfort zone. so we need more real-life social groups rather than virtual ones as they are less flexible, and so more able to pull in the direction of social change — Isaac
Climate is not weather, but it disrupts the weather. We’re seeing it happen before our eyes. The pattern is obvious, provided we can read a graph. — Xtrix
Then the solution is simply to create a cheaper energy resource that burning fossil fuels. Even in aircraft design they are looking for using other fuels.There are multiple potential tipping points. See above for some links, or you can Google "climate tipping points."
Climate change in this context refers to a rapid change in the Earth's climate driven by human activities, especially the burning of fossil fuels. — Xtrix
Perhaps one philosophical question (as this is a Philosophy Forum) is the following: Do we look at ourselves as being part of the fauna on Earth or do we have the somewhat Christian view that this is a garden that has been given us to keep and make the separation with nature and us. Some might say that this is totally unimportant, but actually it's very important.There are lots of apocalyptic scenarios, but also lots of survivalist scenarios. Even some of the apocalyptic ones are quite optimistic: we might wipe ourselves out, maybe take a lot of species with is, but leave a living planet that obtains some kind of harmony. That's not necessarily a bad outcome. — Kenosha Kid
Well, carbon capture is also an option for the right (and oil companies) to run on too since it doesn't require a big change in the current status quo. That is probably where I imagine the lines will be drawn politically in the future. Not ideal, but frankly that would be much better than where we are now with one side accepting the problem and the other thinking that it doesn't even exist. — Mr Bee
It's actually HG Wells dumbshit. — frank
We're either going to make it happen or we're dead.
— Xtrix
I don't think that's true. There's not one thing to make happen. There are lots of apocalyptic scenarios, but also lots of survivalist scenarios. — Kenosha Kid
Climate is not weather, but it disrupts the weather. We’re seeing it happen before our eyes. The pattern is obvious, provided we can read a graph.
— Xtrix
For most people, this is too abstract. It seems to me that unless people experience climate change directly, in a way that doesn't depend on trusting others, they can't really relate to it. — baker
Have you read the Moral Case for Fossil Fuels by Alex Epstein? — Kasperanza
I believe the climate is changing, as it always has. — NOS4A2
You mean the non-scientist/climate denier/Ayn Rand cultist who was destroyed in debate by Bill McKibben years ago? Regardless, I'm not watching a single thing you suggest until you've shown you've done the minimal amount of reading required to even be taken seriously on this topic. You remind me of a person who, because he's watched a few videos on quantum mechanics on YouTube, feels confident enough to walk into an MIT physics class and lecture the professor. Grow up. — Xtrix
But I guess the perspective still is on our own asses, because life on Earth will surely adapt to situations where the polar caps have melted etc. We humans on the other hand might have huge problems. — ssu
And a bit more perspective to those changes: — ssu
I'm not expecting you to agree, but it would be nice if you could understand some of the points that Alex Epstein makes. I don't think he's some lunatic. — Kasperanza
I mean I grew up the American education system. I was fed your perspective my entire life and I believed it for most of my life. — Kasperanza
I just wonder what your solution is to climate change. — Kasperanza
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