Do you know what the content of the Tawney article is? Strauss was opposed to Marxism, Socialism, and historicism. — Fooloso4
All philosophical books written before the Enlightenment aim at both a wider audience and a small elite, able to understand the deeper meaning of the texts — Fooloso4
"secret teaching" — Apollodorus
Strauss was certainly close to Fabian Socialists like Laski and Tawney — Apollodorus
My point was that anti-Platonism was a trend arising from liberal, Christian Socialist and Fabian Socialist circles. — Apollodorus
So far, you have presented zero evidence for your claim that the Euthyphro or any other dialogue teaches "atheism". — Apollodorus
They remain for us images, hypotheses. — Fooloso4
We remain in the cave. — Fooloso4
They helped him emigrate, just as hundreds of other scholars were helped. What is clear if you would actually read him is that he was opposed to socialism. — Fooloso4
It is not about telling you what to think. — Fooloso4
That doesn't make those things. e.g., virtue, beauty or justice, just speculation. — Apollodorus
The point Socrates is making is that the philosopher first thinks about them and eventually "sees", i.e., experiences them. — Apollodorus
Remain in the cave then. It doesn't bother me in the least. — Apollodorus
... their anti-Platonist ideas did not influence him. — Apollodorus
In any case, he was promoting the same anti-Platonist line as they were. — Apollodorus
...engaging in sophistry for nefarious purposes. — Apollodorus
It remains for you a matter of faith. — Fooloso4
They remain a matter of faith until experienced, like everything else. — Apollodorus
Faith doesn't mean "atheism". — Apollodorus
The philosopher first uses reason to think about the Forms and eventually "sees" or experiences them by means of the nous. — Apollodorus
It remains for you an article of faith. — Fooloso4
Faith does not equal "atheism". — Apollodorus
Socrates does not explicitly deny the existence of gods, — Fooloso4
Socrates does not explicitly deny the existence of gods. Therefore, it cannot be asserted that he was an atheist. — Apollodorus
What you are saying is that you are unable to prove that Socrates was an atheist — Apollodorus
The charge against Socrates was not that he didn't believe in the Gods of Athens but that he introduced "other new deities" — Apollodorus
By the standards of the city Socrates was an atheist. — Fooloso4
He believed that the charge against him was wrong. — Apollodorus
What the city of Athens believed is beside the point. — Apollodorus
Too bad you were not around to tell Socrates and the court and Plat and Xenophon and others that. — Fooloso4
Socrates does not explicitly deny the existence of gods. Therefore, it cannot be asserted that he was an atheist.
— Apollodorus
He does not affirm the existence of gods either. — Fooloso4
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