They might relate to that aspect of god but they would have more definitive qualities, more qualifiers, than that for god. “Existence beyond knowledge” is generic and unspecific enough to apply to more than just a god concept and so if you are using only that as your criterion for “god” then you aren’t qualifying a theistic definition of god, you aren’t reaching minimum requirements for a theistic god despite having this generic trait “existence beyond knowledge” in common. — DingoJones
Trust me, it's much more complicated than anyone would believe. — Art Stoic Spirit
Have you read much phenomenology? — Tom Storm
Thus, necessarily that the agnostic has to pick a side - become an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist. — TheMadFool
The fundamental problem with agnosticism seems to be that it can't be used to guide our actions, make decisions, to name a few.
Take prayer for instance. The decision to pray or not is a question of whether you believe God exists or doesn't. Being an agnostic - to hold that one doesn't know if god exists or not - can't in any way help to take a stand on prayer.
It appears that agnostics are in some kind of ontological cum epistemological limbo that precludes any sort of decision-making on other related beliefs/actions.
Thus, necessarily that the agnostic has to pick a side - become an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist.
It's kinda like not knowing what's inside a cage, recently arrived from Africa. Is there a full-grown, hungry, lion inside it or not. That uncertainty will not allow you to decide how to deal with the cage and its contents. You'll have to assume either that there's a lion or not to inform your approach towards the cage. In other words, being agnostic about what's inside the cage is a dead end insofar as your subsequent actions are concerned. You'll have to be either a lionist or an alionist. — TheMadFool
The agnostic picks a side based on the sum of experience at the time. Being an atheist/theist is like assuming there’s a lion in the cage or not, and stating this claim well before approaching the cage. The agnostic stays aware of changing conditions, and is open to continually revising their prediction on approach. — Possibility
I get what you are saying but I'm not convinced by this. I think that metaphor is off the mark. For one thing, lions exist and we can readily test if they are in a cage or not. — Tom Storm
You either believe or you don't believe. The 'don't know' option doesn't address belief, it addresses knowledge - a separate dimension to this matter. Like many others I would consider myself an agnostic atheist. I don't believe in God, but I am agnostic about its existence. — Tom Storm
How do you make decisions when you don't know (something)?
Say you don't know whether it'll rain tomorrow or not. How will you plan for the morrow? You have to assume either that it'll rain or not, right? — TheMadFool
It is impossible to be an atheist. — Corvus
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God(s) created it and the universe being there is proof of that — Prishon
The existence of it is proof. — Prishon
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exist — Prishon
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