The idea that we live in a postmodern culture is a myth. In fact, a postmodern culture is an impossibility; it would be utterly unliveable. People are not relativistic when it comes to matters of science, engineering, and technology; rather, they are relativistic and pluralistic in matters of religion and ethics. But, of course, that's not postmodernism; that's modernism! — William Lane Craig
postmodernism at its best might be seen as a self-critical – a sceptical, ironic, but nevertheless unrelenting – form of modernism; a modernism beyond utopianism, scientism and foundationalism; in short a postmetaphysical modernism — Albrecht Wellmer
Zimbabwean-born British Marxist Alex Callinicos says that postmodernism "reflects the disappointed revolutionary generation of '68, and the incorporation of many of its members into the professional and managerial 'new middle class'. It is best read as a symptom of political frustration and social mobility rather than as a significant intellectual or cultural phenomenon in its own right."
McCarthyism taught us to doubt our neighbours, a handy leg-up for individualism and isolationism. Nixon taught us that government is a kind of criminal activity. We have uncountable postwar conspiracy theories about aliens, missing flights, 9/11, black helicopters, chem trails, vaccines, elections, and, of course, Jews. Alternative facts are everywhere while actual facts have little value to most people because there is no objective, neutral authority they would accept. — Kenosha Kid
Did the 'postmodern condition' actually happen? — Kenosha Kid
In fact, a postmodern culture is an impossibility; it would be utterly unliveable. People are not relativistic when it comes to matters of science, engineering, and technology; rather, they are relativistic and pluralistic in matters of religion and ethics. — William Lane Craig
one largely untethered from its metanarrative (communism) and instead tethered to a judicious choice of allegiance — Kenosha Kid
The 'postmodern condition' was coined to describe the fall of metanarratives after the two world wars (or between them, depending on what you count). — Kenosha Kid
Or did the postmodernists actually cause the thing they said was already happening? — Kenosha Kid
As I see it the meta-narratives only "fell" among a select group of academics. Outside of that "circle jerk" the meta-narrative of modernism is alive and kicking hard. — Janus
Having said that, I do think that it's fair to say that postmodernism was a movement in literature and philosophy I suppose, depending on how you view Derrida and company. But I don't think it was a historical epoch. So I can't answer the question you pose. — Manuel
Is that post modernism, or just the result of ordinary cynicism and conventional scapegoating, the product of political failures and concentrated media ownership? I think the internet has simply helped to concentrate and organize some eternal problems. — Tom Storm
Digression - I re-read part one of Don Quixote recently and it showcases many of the alleged po-mo literary devices; parody, self-reflexivity, irony, pastiche, double coding and that was in 1605. This ancient novel showcases an astonishingly contemporary sensibility. — Tom Storm
Communism untethered to a metanarritive? — hypericin
As I see it the meta-narratives only "fell" among a select group of academics. Outside of that "circle jerk" the meta-narrative of modernism is alive and kicking hard. — Janus
But the question and your answer don't pertain to philosophers: what you're suggesting here is that people in general are as committed to the modernism project as ever, right? — Kenosha Kid
Within philosophy you'll find people who haven't really moved past Plato. — Kenosha Kid
And yes I do think people in general are as committed to the modernist project as ever. — Janus
Did the 'postmodern condition' actually happen? (4 votes)
Yes, and before postmodernists described it — Kenosha Kid
Ordinary now. But ordinary at the time? Was it usual for Americans to distrust each other for no obvious reason before McCarthy? Was it usual to assume your President was engaged in criminality before Nixon? — Kenosha Kid
That sounds like an answer in the negative. — Kenosha Kid
Empires started shedding their colonies in self-disgust. — Kenosha Kid
which seems to me integral to modernity – humanist empirical skepticism-fallibilism always in danger of (a) relativism-nihilism or (b) technoscientism – and not some "condition" independent of, succeeding, the modern condition (1600(?)-present).Modernism minus the Enlightenment equals p0stm0dernism.
po-mo is just a flickering bricolage with no coherence — Tom Storm
Modernism minus the Enlightenment equals p0stm0dernism.
So, in thinking about postmodernism, perhaps we need to think about what was helpful, or unhelpful, and where do we go from here? — Jack Cummins
1. Burroughs and textual precultural theory
“Sexual identity is part of the collapse of reality,” says Sontag; however,
according to Dahmus[1] , it is not so much sexual identity
that is part of the collapse of reality, but rather the fatal flaw, and
subsequent dialectic, of sexual identity. A number of theories concerning the
common ground between truth and class may be discovered.
However, if neodialectic materialism holds, we have to choose between
patriarchial socialism and Marxist socialism. The premise of Debordist
situation suggests that the establishment is capable of intent.
Therefore, in Junky, Burroughs reiterates conceptualist
postcapitalist theory; in The Last Words of Dutch Schultz, however, he
examines neodialectic materialism. Debordist situation holds that language is
used to exploit the underprivileged, given that the premise of conceptualist
postcapitalist theory is valid.
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