There's a reason why those were the beginnings of civilisation. Alas, I don't take much concern with same-sex marriage, my concern is with promiscuity. Chastity has nothing to do with same-sex marriage.Like in ancient Mesopotamia, the birth of civilisation? And yet you called them savages when I showed you that they practiced same-sex marriage. — Michael
Why do you suppose virginity applies only to women? — Agustino
Actually chastity is precisely one characteristic that is specific of civilisation, not of savagery. — Agustino
Oh dear... how does this square with what I have said that virginity isn't physical?! The hymen can break without intercourse.1) Men do not have a hymen which can be breached, thus providing evidence of virginity or not — Bitter Crank
Not in all societies. There were matriarchies as well.2) Women were sexual property of men, not visa versa — Bitter Crank
Only in the relatively more modern period.3) Men were expected to have sexual experiences prior to marriage, women were not — Bitter Crank
Yes that's Victorian England.You have heard of the double standard? — Bitter Crank
:-dOf course, a man can be a "virgin", not that it was much of a virtue. — Bitter Crank
Not having sex or masturbating isn't the same as suppressing the desire. There is suppression, expression and sublimation. I advocate that third option.Probably good, as I seem to recall some psychologists saying that it's harmful to suppress sexual desire. — Michael
See, there is never any level of satisfaction achieved with self-pleasure. — Question
It's like telling a drug addict his or her habits are wrong.
Now do you guys think that all these people - were the retards to think chastity was a virtue?! — Agustino
Most religions recognize that self-pleasure leads to the path of unhappiness. — Question
And, quite frankly my excessive (previous) indulgence in pornography has made me quite unhappy.
That doesn't make it true. I would say that religions are prone to falsehoods. — Michael
That wouldn't make it evil. And I think the key term there is excessive. Anything that's excessive is a problem, e.g. excessive eating. The key is moderation. Outright avoidance can be just as problematic as indulging too much. — Michael
virginity isn't physical — Agustino
matriarchies — Agustino
Yes that's Victorian England — Agustino
chastity — Agustino
And, quite frankly my excessive (previous) indulgence in pornography has made me quite unhappy. — Question
That's a bit pretentious of youNot necessarily retarded. Just misguided. — Michael
I recommend a change of operating system ;)Sorry. Psychic virginity does not compute. — Bitter Crank
First please tell me what is the way women are considered property under patriarchy...Please list the extant matriarchies where men are considered property the way women are considered property under patriarchy (as if there were such a thing as matriarchy and patriarchy). — Bitter Crank
Nope, that's double application of a single standard, not double standards.Victorian England, he says. Double standards preceded Victoria Regina and survive into the 21st century. — Bitter Crank
No no, don't laugh at it. This is a very historical point. It doesn't matter if chastity was ALWAYS broken and not observed, the historical fact, which is undeniable, regardless of what you say, is that people have thought that chastity is important. That's why they have created moral codes in which chastity was a virtue for male and female alike all over the world and independently. You obviously don't quite like this. However, your dislike of it doesn't change the historical facts.Chastity schmastity.. My guess is that chastity has been honored everywhere more in the breach than in the observance. — Bitter Crank
Try forgiving yourself more and do more of what makes you happy. — Bitter Crank
Self-pleasure is evil. — Question
Chastity schmastity... — Bitter Crank
Philosophy, as Marcus Aurelius would say to guide one's steps and path in such a torturous world full of lust, desire, and evil. — Question
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