Isn't that why we have governments in the first place? Containing us?In any case I much rather assume the risk of living than let governments, all of which failed to contain the virus, continue to contain human beings. — NOS4A2
As this mask wearing, avoiding shaking hands and a two meter distance is staying for us for years now, I start to fear that this will have an effect how we behave in the future. Work culture has already changed, that's for sure.That's all. Nothing new. — Banno
How sick are they getting from it? Are you less sick when vaccinated? Otherwise we can stop vaccinating altogether and combat the pandemic how they did it in the old days. — Benkei
When the vaccines were introduced, they made clear the efficacy against the spread of the disease was not certain. Its protection against its effects was. The idea was that if enough people would be vaccinated at least they wouldn't end up in hospitals and cause an overload of the hospital system.
When has this aim changed? — Benkei
we're well aware of your ideological stance and the resulting confirmation bias. God forbid fact-based decision making. — Benkei
When the vaccines were introduced, they made clear the efficacy against the spread of the disease was not certain. — Benkei
What sources are you using for your impression of institutions being clear that the efficacy of the vaccines at reducing transmission was uncertain? — Isaac
Official statements by Pfizer and Moderna at the start of vaccination. — Benkei
When the matter became so politicized, so ideologized that the public opinion became "Vaccinated people are perfectly safe." — baker
I just got a booster. I went to the Walgreens and asked for it. They said they needed more paperwork. I said I didn't have any paperwork, so they said ok, which arm do you want it in? — frank
Is that being part of the problem? — ArguingWAristotleTiff
I'm not sure which problem you mean. — frank
Nothing about the epidemiology or appropriate responses to covid-19 has been simple. Consequently, perspectives have varied even among highly trained and experienced professionals systematically evaluating the same data. Engaging in discussions about the validity of complementary or even contradictory inferences can support an effective response. However, it is not feasible to engage meaningfully within 280 characters or if value judgments are ascribed to only certain positions. Public health means that the consensus view may have blindspots, so we must encourage healthy debate and dialogue. Debate was stifled during covid-19 in the name of fear. We witnessed social media platforms censoring scientific views and positions, only later to rescind those bans (e.g. the lab leak hypothesis). But equally we have seen misinformation proliferate on social media platforms. How to manage, foster, and regulate social media businesses must be part of future disaster planning...
...Public health means going on TV and saying that the Governor is failing, not that people are failing. Yet, over and over, we heard experts lament that it was private gatherings and bad people, and not bad systems and weak leadership that failed. The inattention to the structural and network risks including structural racism that increased risks for some and not others is antithetical to public health. Shame-based messaging has no role in a pandemic. — Stefan Baral, epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, writing in the BMJ
People have legitimate reasons to be wary of both government advice and public health advice. — Isaac
Abstract
Vaccines are thought to be the best available solution for controlling the ongoing SARS-CoV-2 pandemic. However, the emergence of vaccine-resistant strains may come too rapidly for current vaccine developments to alleviate the health, economic and social consequences of the pandemic. To quantify and characterize the risk of such a scenario, we created a SIR-derived model with initial stochastic dynamics of the vaccine-resistant strain to study the probability of its emergence and establishment. Using parameters realistically resembling SARS-CoV-2 transmission, we model a wave-like pattern of the pandemic and consider the impact of the rate of vaccination and the strength of non-pharmaceutical intervention measures on the probability of emergence of a resistant strain. As expected, we found that a fast rate of vaccination decreases the probability of emergence of a resistant strain. Counterintuitively, when a relaxation of non-pharmaceutical interventions happened at a time when most individuals of the population have already been vaccinated the probability of emergence of a resistant strain was greatly increased. Consequently, we show that a period of transmission reduction close to the end of the vaccination campaign can substantially reduce the probability of resistant strain establishment. Our results suggest that policymakers and individuals should consider maintaining non-pharmaceutical interventions and transmission-reducing behaviours throughout the entire vaccination period.
What they never mentioned was how quickly the virus can circulate among the vaccinated. — NOS4A2
Apparently you haven't met any of them. — frank
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