This man has such-and-such phenotypes, therefor he has this-or-that experience, behavior, beliefs, and so on”, is the logic of racism and other forms of prejudice, and I see no reason to continue using it. — NOS4A2
Yeah, you just have a history of allying yourself with those who welcome racists with open arms. It makes it hard to take anything you say about race seriously. One suspects an ulterior motive, but one isn't interested enough to follow up on the suspicion.
Black men are telling you about their experiences on an almost daily basis. Describing the world as it is through the eyes of another as a result of listening is not reinforcing racism or prejudice at all, it's learning to understand what the world is like "as a black person" through empathy. If you don't understand what they're going through, you can't help them.
Your ignoring the reality of racism as it exists today does nothing to change it.
Well, it works well for those in power wanting to hold on to the status quo.This is what I've been saying for awhile now and is the foundation of the problem as stated by ↪frank - politics - dividing people based on identity and then making people think that everyone else that doesn't share your identity is out to get you. It's no different than religion. — Harry Hindu
I get it though, like @Harry Hindu et al, you're on the victor's ... conquistador's ... crusader's ... exploiter-discriminator's "team". Denying the accumulated historical and systemically adverse effects on those "other teams" is par for the course, part of the strategy for how y'all play this millennium-old game. I for one am more pleased than not, NOS, you've not been banned yet since your post history (certainly the last couple of years) is an exemplary archival specimen of what Baldwin calls being "really despicable".I haven’t ignored racism at all. What I ignore is the race-consciousness and it’s perversions. — NOS4A2
But you were talking about string theory. Can you make up your mind which analogy you're going to use? By narrowing it down to only two (views), limits the possible options or solutions you can think of or understand.There's two sides to the coin. — frank
The men who killed Ahmaud Arbery are in jail. Who else has killed a black person and isn't in jail, or isn't being hunted down to put in jail? The knee-jerk reaction to label every altercation between a black person and a white person as racist just makes the word, "racist" meaningless and makes it more difficult to fight real racism. Blacks and whites can disagree and it not be racist.Emotion traps people. We want there to be recognition of racial bias in society so that DAs can't get away with just ignoring the murders of black men like Ahmaud Arbery.
But emotion clicks in and says that all white people are complicit, which isn't true, but it satisfies a bruised, frustrated heart to say it, and we just forget the more abysmal truth. — frank
the foundation of the problem...
— Harry Hindu
... isn't identity politics, it's politicizing some issue, and that can be done with practically anything. Currently popular is vaccination vs antivaccination. Many Trumpian antivac supporters are themselves vaccinated, though they may decline to admit it, inanely claiming HIPAA rights violations or whatever, and apparently could care less if a portion of their followers die from not being vaccinated.
Even if there were a significant risk with getting vaccinated, shouldn't Trumpian "conservatives" be willing to take a health risk in order to get the economy going full-steam? Isn't that what a brave patriot would do for their nation's economy? That seemed to be their courageous logic at the beginning of the pandemic. How did it get turned around? If you have no actual principles and are merely a group-thinking follower, the Trumps of the world can make you dance like a mindless puppet on strings. — praxis
As such, essentially every government in the world is an oligarchy where the elite few rule the many and limit and strictly control the new members to their club. Just think if you or I were able to become president - what they did to Trump would be nothing compared to what they would do to people like us looking to really change things.Well, it works well for those in power wanting to hold on to the status quo. — ssu
Dividing is just practicing what they are doing. You divide people by labeling them. Stop labeling. No more Democrats or Republicans.Anyway, if you have so much discontent towards how things are in the country, both from the left and the right, make sure that the opposition will be divided and incapable of unifying. Has worked in other countries, actually. — ssu
I agree. The argument that voting for a third party is a vote for the other party is part of this strategy to scare you into voting for one of the two. But when you see both as equally evil, then voting third, fourth, fifth, etc. party (or just no parties) is the only reasonable option.I've come to the conclusion that the polarization of American politics is an active if not openly declared strategy (or policy) implemented by the two ruling parties to stay in power. They only ease the tension if some nutcase comes along and starts shooting politicians of one or the other party (as has already happened). Otherwise, make the other side as evil as possible in the "culture war". — ssu
Yes, essentially it is like that. (I think that Monaco as a tiny city state can have basically the monarch as head of state as every Monegasque can go and visit him if they have a problem.)As such, essentially every government in the world is an oligarchy where the elite few rule the many and limit and strictly control the new members to their club. — Harry Hindu
Ummm....what did they do to Trump, actually?Just think if you or I were able to become president - what they did to Trump would be nothing compared to what they would do to people like us looking to really change things. — Harry Hindu
The men who killed Ahmaud Arbery are in jail. — Harry Hindu
The knee-jerk reaction to label every altercation between a black person and a white person as racist just makes the word, "racist" meaningless and makes it more difficult to fight real racism. Blacks and whites can disagree and it not be racist.
Labeling all white people as complicit is fighting racism with racism. In what ways are whites complicit, that blacks aren't? Don't blacks keep voting for the same Democrats for 50+ years that are part of this system of racism?
WHO is racist? Point them out so that we can fight them together. Calling everyone racist doesn't make anyone want to help you fight racism.
What does a nation with systemic racism look like vs a nation that doesn't have systemic racism but has pockets of racism in some areas? — Harry Hindu
What do you think anti-vac and vaccinated are, if not identities? — Harry Hindu
Maybe we should ask people why they aren't getting vaccinated instead of demonizing them when you have no idea what their reasoning is? — Harry Hindu
What gives you the right to determine the medical decisions of others? — Harry Hindu
Should others make medical decisions for you? — Harry Hindu
That some of the vaccines in use are of very new technology and different from classic vaccinations and we don't know what the long term effects of these are? Or that the person is a young child? Especially if the two times vaccinated still can spread new variants, I still think there opening on having a frank discussion about vaccinations, just as with medicine and health care in general. I'm personally not an anti-vaxxer, but I do value a public debate about vaccinations.I have yet to hear what I think is a reasonable explanation for not getting vaccinated. Do you know of any? — praxis
Anti-vaxxer's are like climate change deniers, or in the case specific to this topic, systemic racism deniers, and are positions taken to express tribal solidarity. — praxis
Anti-vaxxer's are like climate change deniers, or in the case specific to this topic, systemic racism deniers, and are positions taken to express tribal solidarity.
— praxis
I do know who you are talking about, but that categorization can be used quickly to squelch any debate of quite valid issues. — ssu
(Caveat: so far, none of the big pharma (mRNA) Covid-19 vaccines have been given full approval by the US FDA or any its international counterparts – they are to high degrees (so far) symptomatically effective yet with undetermined long-term side-effects (re: safety?). Scientifically, rather than politically, it makes more sense to wait for an approved vaccine – I'm a long hauler by the way – conscientiously caught between a rock and hard place. Yes, it's a tradeoff of risk vs uncertainty (N.N.Taleb)) — 180 Proof
The vaccines only suppress symptoms and neither prevent becoming infected nor infecting others. — 180 Proof
The idea that one will ignore racism by refusing to include racial taxonomies into his thinking is false on its face, because racializing people, viewing them as a member of this or that racial group and deriving assumptions thereby, is the problem to begin with. — NOS4A2
It's the author's mental disorders plus the presence of black people that triggers the oppression. — K Turner
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