How would you like to be born now — hypericin
I find it hard to rationalise how another consumer could help matters. — Kenosha Kid
What makes you think you'd bring up 'just another consumer'. Don't do yourself down. I'm sure you've the potential to bring up the next Ghandi, or MLK, wouldn't that be better than no one? — Isaac
Is this a situation that you would prefer to avoid? That you would do anything, at all costs, to avoid? Then how is it ok to impose this situation on any child, let alone your own? — hypericin
How did that work out for them in the end? — Kenosha Kid
The options aren't my spawn or no one though: if there's one thing I'm sure of, it's that by the time there's a shortage of humans, it'll be too late anyway. — Kenosha Kid
I am a stepfather to two kids. It pains my parents because I'm an only child myself, but I don't feel like having selfish genes is a good reason to reproduce. If I had none, I would have liked to adopt. — Kenosha Kid
Obviously it depends on how bad climate catastrophe will be — ChatteringMonkey
Unfortunately that project {fixing the mess we've made} is going to take more than one generation to complete. So if we (the hip and cool ones) — Isaac
The future is unknowable. But according to our best predictive efforts, it will be quite bad indeed. — hypericin
Then how is it ok to impose this situation on any child, let alone your own? — hypericin
:fire: :100:The great thing about death is that such an exit is always available. It's the consolation for the living (those suffering) that there is always an escape. But we should honor those we brought into the world, or those that brought us into the world, insofar we are obliged to live for them. — Nils Loc
:up: (undeniable = immoral)It never was moral to have children, but nowadays it's undeniable — darthbarracuda
If all these metrics are predicated on an unsustainable trajectory leading directly to catastrophe, summing them up doesn't quite help.Look into Steven Pinkers work, all these things are better than ever. — DingoJones
"at least I'll be dead before the worst of it" — hypericin
You are imposing this burden on your "hip and cool" kids. For whom the problem may well be irredeemable by the time they are adults. — hypericin
What are you doing now to address the problem, while there, maybe, is a sliver of time left to perhaps avoid the worst of it? If nothing, it is nonsense to expect your "hip and cool" kids to contribute any more. — hypericin
I was doing you the credit of assuming yours would be better than average, — Isaac
Step-parent or adopt two kids and then bring them up to be Gandhi and MLK. — Isaac
Maybe there's a good argument for not having kids if you're not that bothered (we don't need a massive population to do the repair work), or if you're a dick (always applies). But if you're even a little above average in niceness then your kids (adopted, step, or otherwise) are going to be just the sort of people the next generation need to help reduce the harm already done by the previous one. — Isaac
his real dad is trying to make an anti-vax conspiracy theorist out of him. — Kenosha Kid
Neither, with love, pleading, threats or bribes, can be compelled to not leave every light in the house on all day. — Kenosha Kid
I don't think that:
Step-parent or adopt two kids and then bring them up to be Gandhi and MLK. — Isaac
is in the offing, but who knows? — Kenosha Kid
Being serious for a moment (just for a moment), hoping to breed an army of social justice warriors is a casino approach: sure, I may be more likely than Nos to raise a kid who's conscientious, but I'm still more likely to produce yet another mindless consumer because it's me versus pretty much everything else in the world (including their other parent). — Kenosha Kid
I think a more responsible approach is for our generations to forge the superstructures that future generations will in part adhere to and in part improve upon, to set the laws, morals and social conventions -- the hereditary socialisations -- that will anchor them. — Kenosha Kid
Really?The future is unknowable. But according to our best predictive efforts, it will be quite bad indeed. — hypericin
insofar we are obliged to live for them. — Nils Loc
Maybe we need a cultural revolution around death, that makes it less scary, streamlined, normal. — Nils Loc
My eldest now works with criminals and psychopaths... not sure what that says about my parenting skills. — Isaac
Agreed. Do you think we can get this done within the lifespan if a single generation though, seems like a big project? — Isaac
Things like this can be little nudges or sudden paradigm shifts. — Kenosha Kid
we need to be prepared for either taking more than a generation to happen — Isaac
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