The people who have died from the syndrome so far probably would have done well with a COVID19 infection. They were young, healthy women.
You're basically saying you're fine with those women sacrificing their lives without even knowing they were taking that risk. — frank
I like my chances of holding out until the end of 2021 without succumbing. — 180 Proof
Well I think one would need to look at it from a population perspective, if you took 80 people of that demographic, 40 contracted covid naturally and 40 vaccinated - from the data now you would expect there to be more thrombotic complications in the COVID group than the vaccinated group. — aporiap
We fear death, the medical industry offers us a way to postpone it, we fear rejecting them. — Isaac
I mean there are low platelet clotting conditions associated with natural covid infection, e — aporiap
Yes those are more common, but systemic coagulopathy involving lower platelets is associated with COVID. The coagulopathic state most associated with COVID is very similar to DIC but characterized by milder thrombocytopenia and elevated D-Dimer and Fibrinogen. D-dimer is a breakdown product of clots, fibrinogen is a component of clots. You can read more about it here: https://www.hematology.org/covid-19/covid-19-and-coagulopathyI've seen a lot of COVID patients throw clots into the lungs, heart, and brain. I've never seen one do that with thrombocytopenia.
In fact I've never seen a case of prothrombic thrombocytopenia. Have you? — frank
— frank
I've just been going by EMA's conclusions thus far after their review of evidence obtained on over 11 million AZ vaccinations in the EU. They conclude benefits of vaccination still outweigh risk considering this and other metrics they utilize in determining public health recommendations; the last public statement was the 31st. These recommendations are made on best available evidence, and so far are still standing. They are still investigating the causal link between vaccinations and these events, but as mentioned before because the prevalence of these thrombotic events is so low, it is unlikely to change their recommendation.I'll leave it at this:. for some reason you're making an assumption about the safety of the AZ vaccine that is truly not supported by data. Your approach to this issue is of a kind that undermines the confidence we'd like to see in the population.
I agree on this, AZ is also not as effective as some of the other vaccines. — aporiap
I've made a fairly responsible decision — 180 Proof
The FDA will approve the vaccine. At this point it is a matter of bureaucracy rather than safety or efficacy...
— Fooloso4
You've chosen masks over the vaccine, which probably wasn't the best choice. — Hanover
We have two ways of stopping this virus: One is hygienic measures — face masks, social distancing, handwashing — and the other is the vaccine... if you had to pick which is the stronger of the two, I would go with hygienic measures. — Dr Paul Offit CDC Advisory Committe on Immunization Practices
I think it's good to be skeptical of government sometimes, just not this time. — Hanover
Because it has been shown to be safe and effective. — Fooloso4
There is ample evidence that the vaccine is safe and effective. — Fooloso4
do a thorough review of the data — Fooloso4
the millions of vaccines already given is far more than what is given in any clinical trial — Fooloso4
There is ample evidence that the vaccine is safe and effective. — Fooloso4
Why not? What is it about this time that gives the government a free pass? — Isaac
The FDA will approve the vaccine. At this point it is a matter of bureaucracy rather than safety or efficacy...
— Fooloso4
Why would you think that? — Isaac
It's all the available evidence that has been published by any source, with no source suggesting otherwise. https://time.com/5942076/proof-covid-19-vaccines-work/ Unless we buy into a vast conspiracy, involving every medical journal, every major research university, every nation on the planet, and various independent research organizations, we have to conclude the vaccine works. — Hanover
It was reported in the NY Times approval is expected by September. — Hanover
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