• hope
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    A painful inner vibration

    What happens when an unstoppable force hits an immovable wall? It creates a vibration.

    What happens when nurture and nature collide? It creates a vibration. We call this "anxiety".

    Nurture = Your current beliefs.
    Nature = Your genetic shape.

    When your current beliefs contradict your genetics it's like an unstoppable force hitting an immovable wall. It will create a painful inner vibration known as "anxiety".

    Basically stop doubting and hating yourself, and start accepting and loving yourself, and your anxiety will be gone. You will then be calm instead of vibrating :grin:
  • javi2541997
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    The anxiety is intense when the person is most original. — Søren Kierkegaard.

    Check this out: Kierkegaard and Existentialism
  • hope
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    The anxiety is intense when the person is most original. — Søren Kierkegaard.

    Original = different, and difference from others can increase self doubt.

    So that quote just proves my original point.
  • Joshs
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    Basically stop doubting and hating yourself, and start accepting and loving yourself, and your anxiety will be gone.hope

    What if most of your anxieties concern the welfare of those around you that you care about?
  • hope
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    What if most of your anxieties concern the welfare of those around you that you care about?Joshs

    That's fear not anxiety.

    Fear of loss, fear of harm, etc...

    Fear is helpful.

    Anxiety is caused by your irrational self doubt and self hate related to those things, triggered by those things, etc...
  • Joshs
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    Anxiety is caused by your irrational self doubt and self hate related to those things, triggered by those things, etc...hope

    You just made that up. Do you have any sources for this peculiar definition of anxiety? It seems to me all you’re doing is trying to distinguish a neurotic from a healthy anxiety. You could do the same thing with all other emotions, including joy.
  • dimosthenis9
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    That's fear not anxiety.hope

    Isn't anxiety caused by fear? What are you talking about?

    Basically stop doubting and hating yourself, and start accepting and loving yourself, and your anxiety will be gone.hope

    Sorry my friend but you sound like one of those life coaches, who are to philosophers what mall security guys are for actual police men.
  • hope
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    distinguish a neurotic from a. healthy anxiety.Joshs

    Fear and anxiety are two different things. Otherwise why have two different words?

    Fear is a natural response to prediction of external harm. Anxiety is something else.
  • hope
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    Sorry my friend but you sound like one of those life coaches, who are to philosophers what mall security guys are for actual police men.dimosthenis9

    Not everything has to be complicated to be true. Also deeper explanations can be requested and given.
  • Joshs
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    Fear is a natural response to prediction of external harm. Anxiety is something else.hope

    Yes, I think fear and anxiety can be usefully distinguished. Fear involves the anticipation of imminent, serious harm or loss. Anxiety involves the anticipation of an event that may produce a less severe harm or loss , and is not as imminent. Anxiety is worry, rumination, apprehension, restlessness. Anxiety over the upcoming medical test can turn to fear once the result is known. Both fear and anxiety can be described as neurotic or healthy, depending on the circumstances.
  • hope
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    Fear involves the anticipation of imminent, serious harm or loss. Anxiety involves the anticipation of an event that may produce a less severe harm or lossJoshs

    The strength and duration of the fear doesn't change the fact that it is still fear and not anxiety.
  • Joshs
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    You seem to be be forcing these labels into the two categories you want to see them as. You want to describe worry over everything bad that may happen to one’s loved ones as fear, and worry over one’s own self as anxiety. And you want to call the former healthy and the latter unhealthy. But this isnt generally how most psychologists define these terms. They see
    Anxiety as pervasive in modern society. It reflects our struggle to cope with a fast paced, constantly changing world that we are desperately trying to predict and stay one step ahead of. The quality of this feeling, they argue , is different than the intensity and immediacy of fear. That is why it is is suited to modern times , where immediate dangers to survival are uncommon, but an endless series of smaller threats abound.
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    Sure. The more perspectives and knowledge on the subject the better. But that does not invalidate mine.

    Also maybe mine is better, and all the others are coming form the very ignorance mine attempts to expose and remove.
  • Joshs
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    Also maybe mine is better, and all the others are coming form the very ignorance mine attempts to expose and removehope

    That’s cause you Da Man
  • hope
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    That’s cause you Da ManJoshs

    Or maybe I just think longer and deeper.
  • Joshs
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    Or maybe I just think longer and deeper.hope

    work it
  • Joshs
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    Seriously though. Aren’t you ever kept up at night tossing and turning over concerns about the future? Do you worry about getting older, about illness,? What about work related anxiety, like an upcoming performance review, or conflicts with other employees? Do you have anxiety about speaking in public? Do you get nervous before a sports competition? Do you worry you won’t have enough money to pay the bills , to pay off debt or for retirement?
  • hope
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    Nobody worries about those things. They just think they do because they are ignorant of the real underlying source and cause of the worry. So they blame all sorts of other things and spend their lives chasing illusions. They try to use self-esteem to fix lack of self acceptance. And conditional self-esteem is always a shaky construction therefore prone to causing worry.
  • Joshs
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    They try to use self-esteem to fix lack of self acceptance. And conditional self-esteem is always a shaky construction therefore prone to causing worry.hope

    You can’t have self-acceptance without self-understanding. And you can’t have self-understanding without an understanding of your world, particularly your social world and you place in it. And you can’t come to a realization of what needs to be understood about your relationships with other people , how and why they care or don’t care about you, without feeling social anxiety. Social anxiety lets us know what we are puzzled about , what we need to work on. It can be an extraordinarily creative emotion because it shakes us out of our complacency and pushes us to change and grow. I don’t know anyone who achieved healthy self-acceptance without allowing themselves to be open to anxiety and to use it to learn about themselves.
    Self acceptance isnt easy. It is an endless process of development.
  • hope
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    Self acceptance isnt easy. It is an endless process of development.Joshs

    Or maybe it's about realizing your creator is a billion times vaster than you are so you have no right to doubt or hate yourself.
  • Apollodorus
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    Basically stop doubting and hating yourself, and start accepting and loving yourself, and your anxiety will be gone. You will then be calm instead of vibrating :hope

    Well, all my anxieties have disappeared just by reading that. :wink:

    And, I'm not sure if this is good or bad, but I've definitely stopped vibrating.

    BTW, would it be possible to know where you've read all this stuff?
  • hope
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    Well, all my anxieties have disappeared just by reading that.Apollodorus

    You're anxieties will disappear by learning how to apply it.

    would it be possible to know where you've read all this stuffApollodorus

    It's my own theory.
  • Daniel
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    Where is the Physics in your post?
  • Joshs
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    Or maybe it's about realizing your creator is a billion times vaster than you are so you have no right to doubt or hate yourself.hope

    That’s just going to make you feel worse when you do inevitably doubt or hate yourself.
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    Where is the Physics in your post?Daniel

    What happens when an unstoppable force hits an immovable wall? It creates a vibration.

    This is fundamental to the nature of reality. An eternal balance of equally opposing forces underlined by vibration.
  • Apollodorus
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    You're anxieties will disappear by learning how to apply it.hope

    But what happens if you have no anxieties or don't act on them?
  • Joshs
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    BTW, would it be possible to know where you've read all this stuffApollodorus

    Apparently somewhere in Leviticus
  • Daniel
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    Vibrations would require the wall to be movable.
  • hope
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    inevitably doubt or hate yourself.Joshs

    Then more fully realize what I said so all the traces will be permanently removed.
  • hope
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    what happens if you have no anxietiesApollodorus

    Then you don't need this post.
  • hope
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    Vibrations would require the wall to be movable.Daniel

    No it's not movable, but it is made of smaller things, like everything in this universe.

    This smaller things dimension is what creates time and change.
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